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  1. Lorraine (Bretagne Class) 2 versions. Both only have 8 - 340 mm guns instead of the usual 10 - 340 mm guns that her sisters enjoy. Midship turret is removed in favor of a float plane in 1939 and removed the float plane better AA in 1944. 1939 1944 Best solution to implement both versions is to let her have two hulls. Like how WG implemented USN DD Monaghan. Hull A (1939) will have spotter or fighter consumable (DFAA consumable will not be available) Hull B (1944) will have DFAA consumable (spotter or fighter consumable will not be available). If implement in T5, without MBRB. If implement in T6, with MBRB. (50% or 75% MBRB = ????) Maximum range is 19 km. Slightly better than T5 Bretagne. Concealment is 15.3 km base. Same as the T5 Bretagne. T6 Languedoc (Normandie Class) Languedoc is a Normandie class preliminary design. Where they planned to build her with no midship turret, while keeping the 12 guns requirement intact. Article: The design staff presented three alternatives, all armed with a secondary armament of twenty 138.6 mm (5.5 in) guns in a new twin-gun casemate mounting. The first was a design with the same ten 340 mm guns as the Bretagnes, but with a top speed greater than 21 knots. The second was for a ship with a dozen 340 mm guns arranged in two quadruple-gun turrets fore and aft of the superstructure with superfiring twin-gun turrets and a speed of 20 knots. The last proposal was a ship that was armed with sixteen 305 mm (12 in) guns in four quadruple turrets and a speed of 20 knots. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandie-class_battleship Normandie with no midship gun variant. (Same concept as Lorraine) Variant A 8 - 340 mm guns in AX configuration. Variant B 8 - 340 mm guns in AB configuration. Note: Dunkerque and Strasbourg has 330 mm and not 340 mm. 1939 = hull A (spotter / fighter) and 1944 = hull B (DFAA) If implement in T6, without MBRB. If implement in T7, with MBRB. (50% or 75% MBRB = ????) Maximum range 19 km. Same as the T6 Normandie. Concealment is 16.2 km base. Same as the T6 Normandie. T5 16 gun 305 mm BB. 🔥 No photo sadly. But if we will follow French design, it's going to be either the Lyon (AQXY) configuration or Tourville (ABXY) configuration. Article: The design staff presented three alternatives, all armed with a secondary armament of twenty 138.6 mm (5.5 in) guns in a new twin-gun casemate mounting. The first was a design with the same ten 340 mm guns as the Bretagnes, but with a top speed greater than 21 knots. The second was for a ship with a dozen 340 mm guns arranged in two quadruple-gun turrets fore and aft of the superstructure with superfiring twin-gun turrets and a speed of 20 knots. The last proposal was a ship that was armed with sixteen 305 mm (12 in) guns in four quadruple turrets and a speed of 20 knots. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandie-class_battleship T7 Tourville and Lille (Lyon Class) Both Tourville and Lille is basically Lyon class but instead of a midship turret, the turret is now moved forward, superfiring A turret and the superstructure moved a bit backward where the midship turret was placed. Tourville will have 16 - 340 mm guns in quad mounts. Lille will have 8 - 380 mm guns in twin mounts. Article: One of the main considerations for the new design was the armament to be carried. The French were aware that the latest British battleships (the Queen Elizabeth class) were to be armed with 381 mm (15 in) guns, prompting significant consideration of matching this caliber for the Lyon design. The design staff prepared four variants, two armed with the standard French 340 mm gun in twin or quadruple gun turrets, and two armed with 380 mm guns in twin turrets. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyon-class_battleship T9 & T10 305 mm and T9 380 mm / 406 mm Large Cruisers (Dunkerque preliminary Design) When the French was designing a cruiser to counter the Italian (and later on the Germans), the French drafted a 305 mm cruiser with 8 guns (later on 12 - 305 mm guns and 6 - 380 mm and 406 mm variant when they saw the German panzerschiff). Ultimately these designs were upscaled to become the T6 Dunkerque and T7 Strasbourg. T9 8 - 305 mm Large Cruiser Note: The T9 305 mm with AX configuration is also possible. (Just like Richelieu and Gascogne) T10 12 - 305 mm Large Cruiser T9 6 - 380 mm / 6 - 406 mm (French Siegfried) Note: 406 mm can be a switchable armament like Lion / FDG. Note: Secondary guns and location may vary. Note: Superstructure can either be Dunkerque type or Richelieu / Alsace type. As Suffren type superstructure is considered outdated. Note: If we are going to follow Dunkerque's naming convention (they are basically Dunkerque preliminary), then these ships may be named after French Cities. Consumables: R - Damage Control T - Hydro or DFAA U - French Speed Boost (20%) or Fighter or Spotter Y - Heal I - MBRB (50%) Fire: Also follows other Large Cruisers in the game. 60 seconds base. Article: (Quite long since it covers 3 ships) In 1926, the Chief of the Naval General Staff, Admiral Henri Salaun, requested a new capital ship design with a displacement of 17,500 long tons (17,800 t), intended to counter the new generation of Italian heavy cruisers. The first of these Italian vessels, the two Trento-class cruisers, were fast and posed a considerable threat to French shipping in the western Mediterranean between metropolitan France and its colonies in French North Africa. The new French vessel would be armed with a battery of eight 305 mm (12 in) guns mounted in two quadruple gun turrets, both arranged forward, since the French envisioned using the ships to chase down the Italian cruisers. The ships would have been armored to resist the 203 mm (8 in) guns of the Italian cruisers, and since the guns were concentrated forward, the amount of armor necessary to protect the ship's vitals allowed significant savings in weight. For the prescribed displacement, four such vessels could be built in the allotted 70,000 tons. The concept was strongly influenced by the British Nelson-class battleships, which mounted their battery entirely forward to save armor weight. Illustration of the 36,000-ton design The German Deutschland-class cruisers, which were armed with a battery of six 283 mm guns, coupled with hesitance on the French Navy's part to commit to small capital ships while Italy still kept its allotted tonnage uncommitted led the French to abandon the 17,500-ton project. New design studies were prepared in 1926–1927, resulting in several proposals in 1928 for a 36,000-long-ton (37,000 t) design. These ships were in most respects an enlarged version of the Suffren class of heavy cruisers then being built. The increase in displacement brought with it a third quadruple 305 mm turret placed aft and heavier armor protection in a version capable of 33 knots (61 km/h; 38 mph), while a slower 27-knot (50 km/h; 31 mph) ship was to be armed with six 406 mm (16 in) guns in twin turrets. Shortages of funding, both for the ships themselves and the necessary improvements to shipyards and harbor facilities to build and operate the vessels ended the proposals. Additionally, political concerns, particularly French efforts to lead disarmament talks in the League of Nations, convinced the French government to delay the construction of any new battleships. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkerque-class_battleship T10 Super Alsace A rival to the Italian Battleship C. Colombus. Variant A will have 16 - 380 mm guns. Variant B will have 12 - 406 mm guns. Note: 152 mm wing secondary guns (P and S turret) can be triple 152 mm. The double version of 152 mm will go to a future T10 French CL split. Note: Alsace class naming convention is based on provinces of France. Super Alsace will follow this trend. Some few names such as: Maine Orleans Dauphine Metz Foix Brittany Nice Paris Other Variants: 406 mm Richelieu and Jean Bart variant Instead of 8 - 380 mm They will be armed with 6 - 406 mm. Armor, gimmicks, tiering, range, and concealment are the same. T8 6 - 406 mm Richelieu sigma of 2.0 (+0.2 from Richelieu's 1.8) due to fewer guns. T9 6 - 406 mm Jean Bart sigma of 2.0 (+0.1 from Jean Bart's 1.9) due to fewer guns. Originally the french wanted 8 - 406 mm guns. But that would go over the 35,000 tons limit imposed by the Washington Treaty. If France ignored the Treaty, they would have been built. They are going to be wider and heavier. Thus having a higher health pool. So uptiering them by 1 tier. T9 8 - 406 mm Richelieu sigma of 1.9 (+0.1 from Richelieu's 1.8). T10 8 - 406 mm Jean Bart sigma of 2.0 (+0.1 from Jean Bart's 1.9). Note: Sigma needs testing and apply buff / nerf Article: The French naval command issued specifications for a new battleship design in response to the Littorios on 24 July, less than two weeks after the Italian ships were announced. The new ships would be built to the maximum Washington limits: 35,000 tons displacement and a battery of eight guns of either 380 mm or 406 mm. Initial studies by the design staff quickly demonstrated that a battery of 406 mm guns would be impossible if the other characteristics would be fulfilled within the allotted displacement. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richelieu-class_battleship 406 mm Alsace and Burgogne variant Instead of 12 - 380 mm They will be armed with 9 - 406 mm. Armor, gimmicks, tiering, range, and concealment are the same. 406 Alsace sigma of 1.8 (+0.2 from Alsace) due to fewer guns. 406 Burgogne sigma of 1.9 (+0.1 from Burgoge) due to fewer guns. Note: Sigma needs testing and apply buff / nerf Note: Alsace class naming convention is based on provinces of France. Article: The first proposal for Alsace, No. 1 (T8 Flandre), was essentially a slightly enlarged version of Project C. The ship had a longer hull, which required a 15,000 shaft horsepower (11,000 kW) increase in horsepower while incurring a loss of one knot in top speed. No. 2 was a scaled up version of No. 1, with the 380 mm guns replaced with 406 mm guns. The even larger hull necessitated a further increase in horsepower by 20,000 shp (15,000 kW) to maintain the same speed. The No. 3 type (T9 Alsace) was enlarged further to accommodate three quadruple 380 mm turrets, though it managed to increase speed by a knot. All of the designs would have carried a light anti-aircraft battery of 37 mm (1.5 in) and 25 mm (0.98 in) guns, but the numbers and arrangements of those guns had not been finalized before the program came to an end. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace-class_battleship 451 mm Republique variant Instead of 8 - 431 mm They will be armed with 6 - 451 mm. Armor, gimmicks, tiering, range, and concealment are the same. Sigma 2.1 (+0.1 from Republique) due to fewer guns. Note: Sigma needs testing and apply buff / nerf An Republique with AB turret configuration. (I'm gonna call her Libertie [the 8 - 431 mm in AB configuration]) Also has both 8 - 431 mm and 6 - 451 mm versions. 431 mm will have 2.0 sigma (based on Republique) and 451 mm will have 2.1 sigma (based on Republique variant) A Dunkerque and Strasbourg variant with AX turret configuration. (Like Richelieu and Gascogne.) Gimmicks and tiering, are the same. Range and concealmen subject for testing. T10 Colbert but with 139 mm / 50 guns instead of 127 mm / 54 guns and can not fire in the air (No AA capability). 139 mm guns are the same guns as found on the Kleber. Consumables: (Instead of DFAA, she will get MBRB. It will be a difficult choice.) R - Damage Contrl T - MBRB (50%) or Hydro Y - French Speed Boost (20%) U - Repair Party Note: I am not sure if sigma is up to date. I only based it on the wiki. Link: https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Gunnery_and_Aiming Thoughts?
  2. NguyenArchitakuVN

    British and French "Atlanta"?

    So... I introduce to you the Dido-class cruiser of the Royal Navy (Not dildo, okay?) This ship has a displacement of about 7000 tons. Pretty much similar to the US Atlanta. Her armament is 10-time 133 mm dual purpose gun in dual mounts and 6 torpedo tubes (3 on each side). All turrets are center-line mounted. If this ship makes it into the game, it would likely to be a tier VII premium cruiser for the Royal Navy, her stat and play-style would be a lot like Atlanta. She has less number of guns than the Atlanta, but her guns are bigger. I don't know about the torpedoes but it seems like the torpedoes on British ships are just as bad as the American's. And this sexy lady is the French De Grasse-class cruiser. She would be similar to the Atlanta, Also has 127 mm gun. 16-time 127 mm guns in dual mounts, making it 8 turrets. But she can't have a full broadside of all of her guns. Only 4 turrets are center-line mounted. The other 4 are mounted on her side, making a full broadside of 12 guns. 12 compared to 14 on the Atlanta is a bit of a downside. She doesn't have any torpedo (1946 configuration). But she has a heavier displacement of 9300 tons. So i guess this ship will have a pretty healthy HP pool compared to the Dildo... Sorry, Dido and the Atlanta. Both ships have pretty good top speed of average 32-33 knots.
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