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  1. 日本には、まだ実装されていない駆逐艦があります。 こういうのは日本に限った話では有りません。そもそも第一も無い国もあります。オランダとか。 が、先日実装されたアメリカの「Forrest Sherman」という戦後艦が着たことですし、提案するだけさせていただこうかと。 具体的には、海上自衛隊に続く護衛艦ツリーです。 戦後に対潜を磨き抜きつつ、対空も高くなるずばり日本の護衛艦です。 潜水艦そのうち本格実装されるとのことなので、より対潜に長けた艦という方向になったら良いなと。 海自自体が潜水艦絶対殺すマンという傾向が強いので、是非潜水艦実装後に期待したいツリーです。 ○特徴 主砲:門数が少ないものの連射力に長ける。少なくとも高Tierの米駆相当にはなるはず。    12.7cm砲と76mm砲があり、一部は混載。    76mm砲のみの艦は全艦最速の連射力でいいとすら思う。 弾種:松型  通常弾、試製四式特殊弾、対潜弾、三式焼霰弾改一    護衛艦 半徹甲弾(Special Common)、着発榴弾(Mk.80HE-DP)、近接信管付榴弾(Mk.116HE-VT)、多目的弾(Mk.172HE-ICM)    →以上から共通で2つ。もしくは峰風~初春型と秋月型以降のような感じで仕様変更がツリー途中で発生。     少なくとも76mm砲で高Tierは徹甲弾(AP)だと使いどころが難しすぎるので無くていいと思う。        副砲:一部が搭載。本来は主砲扱い。FCS搭載の為、長射程の命中率良。    もしくは、ドイツ戦艦のような、副砲駆逐艦、という特殊な立ち位置も出来るかもしれない。    本当に一部だが。 魚雷:魚雷が二種あり、一部は混載。    片方はアメリカ仕様。もう片方は射程が短いものの、潜水艦式もしくは独自仕様の誘導が出来、潜航中の潜水艦にも当たる。 速力:駆逐艦としては遅い。 耐久:序盤は高く、しかし高ティアになるに従い段々と低くなっていく。 対空:高い。Mk.63等戦後アメリカのFCS搭載。    松型においては、三式焼夷弾を検討。 対潜:ソナーの標準搭載に加え、潜水艦への攻撃力、射程距離、命中率も他より高くなければならないと思う。    そして対潜用短魚雷。    一部は戦艦式の航空対潜支援。ただし自分の艦載機。 電探:レーダー搭載。米ソとかが載せてる性能と同様の物。 電探妨害:本来は搭載してるけど、ゲームの「Forrest Sherman」が搭載してないので本ツリーでも無し。 ○要主砲優遇 かなり強力な砲弾への優遇がないと、本当に艦橋すら抜けない敵艦が割とある。 なんせ英国の119mm砲よりも秋月の10cm砲よりも更に小口径。 優遇は必要不可欠。というか無いと話にならないかもしれない。 IFHEがあっても、である。 せめて戦艦の艦橋は抜けて欲しい。 もしくは着火率に高い優遇が欲しい。HEが上記の着火榴弾とか。 多少強力でも最小口径は最小口径であろう。76mmの割には強いくらいの優遇はあるべきかと。 砲弾種は、個人的には対潜弾とかクラスター弾とかほしいところだが、SAPも欲しいとなるあたり、かなり悩み深いツリーとなるものと思う。 少なくとも考えてる身としては想像が膨らむばかり。 ○Tier配置案 案1:T4磯風→T5松→T6はるかぜ→T7あやなみ→T8むらさめ→T9やまぐも→T10てるづき 案2:T4磯風→T5松→T6あやなみ→T7むらさめ→T8ありあけ→T9やまぐも→T10てるづき 案3:T4磯風→T5松→T6橘→T7あやなみ→T8むらさめ→T9やまぐも→T10てるづき 案4:T7暁→T8あやなみ→T9むらさめ→T10てるづき 案5:T5睦月→T6あやなみ→T7むらさめ→T8やまぐも→T9てるづき→T10たかつき 色々迷走した結果、5案も出来てしまった。 開始地点以外はあまり変わらないと思う。多分。 全体的に配置に悩む護衛艦が多い。DDにDDKにDDAと入り交じる。 最後はDDGとしたいが、難しいので下の方にTier★として合わせて提案。 ハープーン搭載艦も★でついでに提案。 DEの面々は魚雷非搭載の為除外。 ・案1について 「松型」を入れたかった。入れようと思ったらここからにスべきだろう、という感じで並べたらこうなった。 案考案の出発点。 ・案2について 「はるかぜ」に魚雷が無い等の問題をどうすべきか考え、そもそも他のツリーでも途中飛ばしてる艦とかあるし、ここもしょうがないかなーというとで抜いた物がこちら。 「ありあけ」を入れてみた。元Fletcher級で、本家がT9だが、主砲が減じているのでここかなと。 ただ米艦が入るのに大きな抵抗がある。(金剛までの戦艦とは編入経緯が違う) 案1もそうだが、「磯風」が三分岐してる艦なので、ここに4つ目を入れて良いものなのかという問題もある。 場合によっては「球磨」から派生させるのも検討。 ・案3について 案2の「ありあけ」を抜いて改松型である「橘」を足したもの。 だいぶ近いが、古鷹と青葉みたいな例もあるし良いかなと。 一番推したいのはこれ ・案4について 一番現実的に思うツリー。 「はるかぜ型護衛艦」が「白露型駆逐艦」と「朝潮型駆逐艦」と「ギアリング級」の特徴も足した物なので実装欲を抑えるとこうなるかなーと。「磯風」分岐問題もあるし。 そもそも主砲門数やら魚雷の射程やら威力やら問題もある。でも「Forrest Sherman」がT10で戦えてるし行けるような気もする。 誕生経緯を考えるとこうなるかと。 ただ後半開始ということも有り実装出来る艦が減るのが問題。 Wikipedia曰く、あきづき型護衛艦が「Forrest Sherman」の同世代艦なので、途中あちこち抜いてT10に「てるづき」を持ってくるのが一番現実的な気がする。 が、数入れられないのがやや不満。 ・案5について 数入れたい。磯風分岐問題なんとかしよう。ただ「ありあけ」は除外したい。どうしよう。 と考えた末に「睦月」から分岐して最後に「たかつき」を入れてみた。「峰風」から分岐でも良いかもしれない。 ハープーンは後期改修なので改修前、ということにすれば行けるかなと。 ただ「たかつき」主砲2基でコレで良いのかと……しかも改修すると更に減るし。 ○磯風分岐問題 T4の「磯風」の部分は「球磨」に変えるのも検討。 理由はすでに3分岐しているため。(睦月、峰風、鳳翔に分岐している) 4分岐までなら駄目ということはないと思うが、一応検討。 ○提案艦一覧 参考までに、「Forrest Sherman」の就役が1955年11月9日 Tier5 松 就役 1944年4月28日 全長 100m 最大幅 9.35m 最大速 27.8ノット 主砲 40口径12.7cm単装高角砲×1 40口径12.7cm連装高角砲×1 雷装 61cm4連装発射管×1 対空 両用主砲 25mm3連装機銃×4 25mm単装機銃×8or12 電探 22号電探 対潜 九三式水中聴音機×1 九三式探信儀×1 九四式爆雷投射機×2基 爆雷投下軌道×2 戦時急造艦。戦時中の日本駆逐における対潜の最終形態。 また機関のシフト配置など耐久力が他より高い構造になっているはず。 鋼材が云々は艦を縦で受ける時の跳弾にやや不安が出るが、厚さは考慮しても鋼材に関しては、このゲームは考慮してないものと思われ。 このツリー唯一の大日本帝国艦(橘型も入れるなら唯二)。 プレ艦で「わかば」も出してほしいところ。 本型においては「竹」の激戦等、戦時急造ながらも見るべきところが多く、上記の「わかば」も同型である。正確には橘型だが。 かつ、対潜の強力な1枠として、対潜弾がある。 実在した松型の弾種である。 海中で弾速の低下はあれど、極めて長射程の対潜攻撃になるかと。 心ない海軍関係者らはこの「雑木林」を戦時粗製濫造駆逐艦の蔑称として呼んだが、当の乗員たちの意識は違う。 かつての水雷屋たちが侮蔑の「車引き」の呼び名をむしろ誇りとしてきたのと同じように、戦線を陰に陽に支える時代の寵児として自覚し、誇りを持って愛着自称する乗員もまた多かったという本型。 日本海軍艦艇として、ぜひツリーの一枠に加えていただきたい。 Tier6 橘or柿or梨(画像は同型の初櫻) 就役 橘:1944年9月1日 柿:1945年3月5日 梨:1945年3月15日 全長 100.00m 最大幅 9.35m 最大速 27.8ノット 主砲 40口径12.7cm単装高角砲×1 40口径12.7cm連装高角砲×1 雷装 61cm4連装発射管×1 対空 両用主砲 25mm三連装機銃×4基 25mm単装機銃×12基 電探 22号電探 対潜 九四式爆雷投射機 2基 爆雷投下軌条×2 四式水中聴音機 「はるかぜ」の雷装問題解決案の一つ。 「ありあけ」無しの場合、こちらが入るのが検討される。 が、「橘」はTier2に同名艦が実装されている。 マッチすることはないが、考慮するのであれば同型二番艦の「柿」とすべきか、後の「わかば」となる「梨」が候補か。 (あちらは二番艦なのであちらを桜にしてほしい) 艦尾形状は丸みを帯びたクルーザー・スターン(船尾)から角形のトランサム・スターンに変更 キャンバー(露天甲板のふくらみ)を廃止 艦首のフレア(側面の反り返り)は平面を組み合わせ、ナックルで繋ぐ。 艦首水線下のカットアップを廃止、艦首は艦底まで直線になった と、艦立ててれば駆逐艦同士の打ち合いでは、多分「松」より打たれ強いかと。 このゲーム、厚さは考慮するが鋼材は考慮してないし。 もともとシフト配置等頑丈さにおいて従来の日駆より上に設定しても良さそうなところに更に上昇なので、よりよいかと思われる。 加えて、この時点ならまだ雷装の射程が長く威力もある。門数はともかく。 Tier6 or7 DD-103 あやなみ 就役 1956年11月20日 全長 109メートル 最大幅 10.7メートル 最大速 32ノット 主砲 50口径7.6cm連装速射砲×3 雷装 55式53cm4連装魚雷発射管×1 Mk.2短魚雷落射機×2(対潜) 対空 40mm4連装機銃×2 電探 OPS-5 対潜 AN/SQS-11 捜索用×1 AN/SQR-4/SQA-4 攻撃用×1 OQA-1A 可変深度式×1 ヘッジホッグMk.15対潜迫撃砲×2 55式爆雷投射機(Y砲)×2 Mk.2短魚雷落射機×2基 日本の従来の艦と違って主砲が艦首に2基の艦尾1基になっている。 その上で76mm砲である。T1とかT2とかで搭載されるような口径の分、連射力に期待したい。この口径なら全艦最速連射も狙えるのではないだろうか。 魚雷を搭載しているが、魚雷が従来のものと違うため威力が減じる。 そして対潜魚雷。潜水艦の誘導魚雷と同じ方式か、ソナーと合わせた独自方式かの検討があってよいかと思われる。 とにかく対潜辺重構成になっている。 Tier7 or8 DD-107 むらさめ 就役 1957年12月17日 全長 108m 最大幅 11m 最大速 32ノット 主砲 54口径12.7cm単装砲×3 50口径7.6cm連装速射砲×2 雷装 Mk.2 短魚雷落射機×2 対空 主砲が両用砲 電探 OPS-3 対潜 AN/SQS-11 捜索用×1 AN/SQR-4/SQA-4 攻撃用×1基 ヘッジホッグMk.15対潜迫撃砲×1 Mk.2 短魚雷落射機×2基 爆雷投射機(Y砲)×1 爆雷投下軌条×2基 主砲が一気に増えた。が、12.7cm砲と76mm砲が混ざっておりどう扱えば良いのか。 副砲にするのがいいのか、初の装填時間の異なる二種主砲構成にするか。 戦後の重武装護衛艦。 対潜対空が全体の重量の18%もあり、戦時中を多く上回る割合。 「あやなみ」から対潜を減じて噴砲重視になった。 Tier8 or9 or10 DD-113 やまぐも 就役 1964年3月23日 全長 114 m 最大幅 11.8 m 最大速 27ノット 主砲 50口径76mm連装速射砲×2 雷装 324mm3連装短魚雷発射管×2 対空 主砲が両用砲 電探 OPS-17 対潜 AN/SQS-23 艦首装備式 SQS-35(J) 可変深度式 74式 8連装アスロック発射機×1 71式ボフォース・ロケット・ランチャー×1 324mm3連装短魚雷発射管×2基 「あやなみ」と「むらさめ」の合体。ハイローミックス。 海洋国家としての日本にふさわしい海上防衛力の方向と骨格の形成を目標とした海上自衛隊の護衛艦の基礎。 主砲がまた減っているが魚雷が増えている。 対空は更に上昇。 Tier9 DD-116 みねぐも 就役 1968年8月31日 全長 114 m 最大幅 11.8 m 最大速 28ノット 主砲 68式3インチ50口径連装速射砲 × 2基 雷装 74式アスロック8連装発射機 × 1基 68式3連装短魚雷発射管 × 2基 対空 主砲が両用砲 電探 OPS-11B 対空 OPS-17 水上 Mk.34/Mk.35 射撃用 Mk.56/Mk.63 射撃指揮装置 対潜 66式探信儀 OQS-3 74式アスロック8連装発射機 × 1基 71式ボフォース対潜ロケット4連装発射機 × 1基 68式3連装短魚雷発射管 × 2基 QH-50 DASH 2機 やまぐもを元に対潜強化。 無人対潜ヘリコプターを2基搭載、駆逐艦が広域の対潜警戒を行えるように。(後に撤去しているが) 同型三番艦が、62口径76mm単装速射砲 ……つまりオート・メラーラ砲を搭載。 現代でも現役で使われるイタリアの超速射砲を搭載していたという実績がある。 連射力には特に期待しつつ、対潜も対空も特に高いであろうことは用意に想定できる。 Tier9 or 10 DD-162 てるづき 就役 1960年2月29日 全長 118メートル 最大幅 12メートル 最大速 32ノット 主砲 54口径12.7cm単装砲×3 50口径7.6cm連装速射砲×2 雷装 Mk.2短魚雷落射機×2 65式53cm4連装魚雷発射管×1 対空 主砲が両用砲 電探 OPS-5 対潜 AN/SQS-4 捜索用×1基 AN/SQR-8 攻撃用×1基 OQA-1A/B 可変深度式×1基 324mm対潜ロケット砲×1基 ヘッジホッグMk.10 対潜迫撃砲×2基 55式爆雷投射機(Y砲)×2基 54式爆雷投下軌条×2条 Mk.2短魚雷落射機×2基 「あきづき」でない理由は、T8に秋月が居るためであり、英語表記だと見分けがつかないだろうから。 本提案である護衛艦ツリーの到達点。 更に秋月型の名の通り、対空重視化し、対潜も高い。 レーダーも国産化されたものが搭載。徐々に米産装備が国産に移行しつつある。 正直「やまぐも」とどちらを上にスべきか悩む。こちらの方が4年ほど古いが…… 「あきづき型」は旗艦設備を任される艦を期待され、先に建造された対潜護衛艦「あやなみ型」と、対空重視の初代「むらさめ型」の両方の性格をバランスよく引き継いだ、真の意味での海上自衛隊初となる汎用護衛艦として誕生。 海上自衛隊初の2,000トン級護衛艦となり、2,350トンの基準排水量を活かした余裕ある装備と、艦舷の高い「オランダ坂」護衛艦の特有の優雅なシルエットで、海上自衛隊旗艦としてふさわしい姿となった。 「5インチ 54口径単装砲 Mk.39主砲」を3基、「50口径 3インチ連装速射砲 Mk.33」を2基という初代「むらさめ型」と同量の砲を備え、「ヘッジホッグ Mk.10」2基、「長短魚雷」や「爆雷兵装」等の対潜兵装も「あやなみ型」と同量の装備も持つ、このツリーの終着点に相応しい海自護衛艦と言えるかと。 当時まだ新鋭装備だった「Mk.108 対潜ロケット発射機」が海上自衛隊艦艇の中で初めて装備され、後にこれに換えてより強力な「71式 ボフォース 4連装対潜ロケットランチャー」が装備。高い対潜力を持つ。 これこそが日本の汎用護衛艦の基礎にして原点と言える。 Tier10 or★ DD-164 たかつき 就役 1964年10月8日 全長 136 m 最大幅 13.4m 最大速 32ノット 主砲 73式54口径5インチ単装速射砲×2 改修後:73式54口径5インチ単装速射砲×1     ハープーンSSM 4連装発射筒×2 雷装 68式3連装短魚雷発射管×2 対空 主砲が両用砲 改修後:高性能20mm機関砲(CIWS)×1     シースパロー短SAM 8連装発射機×1基 電探 OPS-17 対潜 AN/SQS-23(38・39DDA) QS-3(40・41DDA) AN/SQS-35(J) 可変深度式(38・39DDA) 68式3連装短魚雷発射管×2 一応入れたが、この思いっきり搭載されてるハープーンとかどうするのよと…… ハープーン搭載前は主砲2基、搭載後は1基。砲火力に不安あり。 ハープーンがあったらあったでこれ通常Tierに入れていいものかと……入れるにしてもTier★ではないかなーと思わんでもない。 とはいえ良い艦なのも間違いない。 Tier★ DDG-163 あまつかぜ 就役 1965年2月15日 全長 131 m 最大幅 13.4 m 最大速 33ノット 主砲 50口径76mm連装速射砲×2 SM-1MR×1 雷装 3連装短魚雷発射管×2 対空 主砲欄の項目が兼用 ターターシステム 電探 AN/SPS-39 三次元式×1 AN/SPG-51B 対潜 AN/SQS-23 AN/SQR-8 深度探知用×1 アスロック8連装発射機×1 ヘッジホッグMk.15対潜迫撃砲×2 3連装短魚雷発射管×2 日本のDDG第1号。 そう、DDGである。対空ミサイル搭載艦である。ハープーンはない。 ターターシステム搭載。これ以上とない対空を期待したい。 先日、まや型2隻の就役とともに、日本の最後のターターシステム搭載艦であるはたかぜ型は練習艦に。 真面目に時期的にもいいのでは、と思う。  もちろん対潜も増々。 Tier★ DD-122 はつゆき 就役 1982年3月23日 全長 130m 最大幅 13.6m 最大速 29.7ノット 主砲 62口径76mm単装速射砲 × 1 ハープーンSSM 4連装発射筒 × 2基 雷装 74式アスロック8連装発射機 × 1基 68式3連装短魚雷発射管 × 2基 対空 62口径76mm単装速射砲 × 1 Mk.15 mod.2 高性能20mm機関砲 × 2基 Mk.29 シースパロー短SAM 8連装発射機 × 1基 電探 OPS-18-1 対潜 OQS-4 74式アスロック8連装発射機 × 1基 68式3連装短魚雷発射管 × 2基 HSS-2B/SH-60J ヘリコプター × 1機 好きだから入れたけどTier★でも厳しいだろうなぁと我ながら思ってる。「あまつかぜ」から10年以上飛んでるし。 初代汎用護衛艦。 ゴジラシリーズの常連。 今も現役のあさぎり型護衛艦、の一世代前の、最も最近に全艦退役した護衛艦。 これまでの対潜対空増々仕様にヘリコプターが付いてきてより潜水艦絶対殺すマン化。 さらにハープーンも計8発。戦艦でも被害甚大不可避かと。 ……Tier11以降の実装が待ち望まれる。 戦術単位としての護衛大群ごとに、8隻の護衛艦と8機のヘリを搭載する編成。 所謂、8艦8機体制の主力を担う第一世代の汎用護衛艦として建造。 本型は前級の多用途護衛艦であるDDAと対潜護衛艦のDDKの能力を統合。 これにより対空対艦対潜へのマルチ対応を要求され、海上自衛隊としては初めてのセンサー及び兵器を戦術情報処理装置とリンク。 戦闘システムの基礎を構築。後の護衛艦へも継承される、当時としては革新的な護衛艦である。 機関も前級までのボイラーやディーゼルエンジンと違い、軽量瞬発の航空機ガスタービンを転用。 COGOG方式を日本で始めて採用。これにより30ノットを出せる。 最近まで練習艦として現役でしたが、それも2021年に終了。 全艦退役しております。 ○プレミアム艦艇 Tier6 DD-101 はるかぜ(検討) 就役 1956年4月26日 全長 106メートル 最大幅 10.5メートル 最大速 30ノット 主砲 38口径12.7cm単装砲×3 雷装 無し 対空 40mm4連装機銃×2 電探 OPS-3 対潜 QHBa 捜索用×1基 QDA 攻撃用×1基 54式対潜弾発射機×1基 54式爆雷投射機 (K砲)×8基 54式爆雷投下軌条×2条 魚雷が無い等扱いに困った末に、とりあえず名前だけでもということで出した。 出すにしてもプレ艦だと想う。 2つ下のあやなみと違い12.7cm砲なので主砲威力はあるはず。 あやなみとはるかぜのWGによるOriginal合体とか検討するのも手かもしれない。 Tier6 or7 DE-261 わかば 再就役 1956年5月31日 全長 100.0m 最大幅 9.35m 最大速 25.5ノット 主砲 Mk.33 Mod0 50口径3インチ連装砲(2次)×1基 雷装 65式533mm連装魚雷発射管(5次)×1基 対空 主砲が両用砲 25mm三連装機銃×4基 25mm単装機銃×12基 電探 AN/SPS-12 対空(2次) Mk.34 射撃用(2次) US SO 水上(2次) SPS-5B 水上(2次) AN/SPS-8B 高角測定(3次新設、6次撤去) Mk.63 Mod11 射撃指揮装置(2次) 対潜 SQS-11A 捜索用(3次) SQR-4/SQA-4 攻撃用(3次) T-3 国産試作ソナー(4次) 54式対潜弾発射機(2次)×1基 54式爆雷投射機(K砲)(2次)×4基 54式爆雷投下軌条(2次)×2条 アメリカによって撃沈された橘型10番艦「梨」を浮揚し、再就役させた護衛艦。 本ツリー提案唯一のDEである。 雷装あるし問題無いかなと。 ただし、長いこと海中に沈んでいたことも有り原型の橘型からそのまま使用している部分に劣化が生じ、エンジン付近では会話も出来ないような状態。 その代わり、豊富な各種兵装を追加。新兵装のテスト艦艇でありました。 改装ごとにどんどん変化しており、どの状態を採用するべきかはWGの采配次第となる。 海上自衛隊が使用した、大日本帝国海軍唯一の戦闘艦であり、現在に至るまで唯一の、明確な敵国との戦闘を経験した護衛艦でもある。 Tier6 or7 or8 DD-183 ありあけ 貸与 1959年 3月10日 全長 115.0 m 最大幅 12.8 m 最大速 35ノット 主砲 Mk.30 38口径5インチ単装砲×4 雷装 Mk.2 短魚雷落射機×2 対空 主砲が両用砲 Mk.1 40ミリ連装機銃×5基 電探 OPS-3 対潜 QCL-8 捜索用 Mk.6 片舷用爆雷投射機(K砲)×6基 Mk.9 爆雷投下軌条×2条 正直なところ、入れるにしてもプレ艦だと思う。 海外産軍艦としては戦艦金剛なんかもそうであるが、購入と戦後の貸与とでは意味が違うため、書くだけ書いたが出来ればツリー以外を望みたい。 そしてTierも下方修正かなと思った末に6まで候補に。対潜対空を重視してるのに、ここで大きくそのへんが下がる為。 それでも上の方にしたのは、本家FletcherがTier9であるため。 貸与時に日本海の時化具合を考慮し、主砲を一基降ろしているため、少なくとも8以下になるはず。 ○対潜哨戒機 一部が搭載しており、どう使うのか悩ましいところである。 案1:ハイブリット艦艇のように、空母と同じ操作を行う。 案2:哨戒戦闘機と同じく、自艦を周回させる。 共通して、ソナーを使用しながら飛行させることで、艦載ソナーではあり得ない広域哨戒を可能とさせる。 持参したヘリコプターを発艦させる以上、戦艦のような召喚方式ではつまらないだろう。 手慰めに書いてたら誤投下して後に引けなくなって、とりあえず形にした。 後日より詳細化予定。 潜水艦の本実装後が良かれと思うが、是非検討願いたい。 どれも良い艦、かつハープーン周り以外はこのゲームに実装しても問題なさそうな面々ではないでしょうか。
  2. Hi Wargameing Dev team, I would like to suggest a complete Pan-America destroyer line. However I came in 2 problems: 1. I cant find a suitable T1 for the Pan- America gunboat for the tech tree and need help on this. 2. Pan-America needs a unique gimmick or play style (Pan-Asia Deep-Water torpedo, British ambush and flee destroyer, German tanky destroyers, Russian suicide tactic, Commonwealth creep smoke). May it be armament, consumable, or their stats. However I was able to complete a destroyer line for Pan-America. I hope you like them. Here is what I have come up with when looking around the internet: Main Line DD T2 Alexandrino de Alenca / Maranhão (BR) Originally Porpoise "K-Class 1913" (UK) Armament: 3 × QF 4 in (102 mm) Mark IV guns (3 x 1) 1 × QF 2 pdr (40 mm) pom-pom Mk. II (1 x 1) 2 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedoes (2 x 1) T3 San Luis (AR) Originally Aetos (GR) Armament: 3 × QF 4 in (102 mm) Mark IV guns (4 x 1) 2 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 1) 4 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (4 x 1) 6 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedoes (2 x 3) T4 Almirante Villiar (PE) Originally Miklucho Maklai "Orfey Vlass" (RU) Armament: 4 × 4.0 in (102 mm)/60 Pattern 1911 guns (4 x 1) 1 × QF 2 pdr (40 mm) pom-pom Mk. II (1 x 1) 2 × 0.30 in (7.62 mm) Maxim machine guns (2 x 1) 9 × 18 in (450 mm) torpedo tubes (3 x 3) Note: Miklucho Maklai (RU) -> Vambola (EE) -> Almirante Villiar (PE) See "Pan-Europe Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion" or Almirante Guise (PE) Originally Avtroil "Izyaslav Class" (RU) Armament: 5 × 4.0 in (102 mm)/60 Pattern 1911 guns (5 x 1) 1 x 2.5 in (63.3 mm) Model 1916 (1 x 1) / 4 x 1.8 in (45 mm) 21-K (4 x 1) 2 × 0.30 in (7.62 mm) Maxim machine guns (2 x 1) 9 × 18 in (450 mm) torpedo tubes (3 x 3) Note: Avtroil (RU) -> Lennuk (EE) -> Almirante Guise (PE) See "Pan-Europe Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion" T5 Mendoza (AR) Based on "Scott Class" (UK) Armament: 5 × 4.7 in (120 mm) QF Mark IX guns (5 x 1) 1 × 3 in (76 mm) AA gun 2 × QF 2 pdr (40 mm) pom-pom Mk. II (2 x 1) ? Need more info 6 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3) or Cervantes (AR) Originally Alcala Galiano "Churruca Class" (ES) Armament: 5 × 4.7 in (120 mm)/45 guns (5 x 1) 1 × 3 in (76 mm) AA guns (1 x 1) 6 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3) From here I will split the line between 120 mm guns and 127 mm guns. 127 mm guns Branch T6 Amazonas (BR) Based on H-Class (UK) but armed with US 5 in (127 mm) / 38 guns Armament: 4 x 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (4 x 1) 2 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (1 x 2) ? Need more info 4 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (4 x 1) 8 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 4) T7 Mariz e Barros (BR) Based on Mahan Class (US) but only has 2 torpedo tube insted of 3 Note: I did not use Marcilio Diaz because she may be used as a T10 ship with the same name. Armament: 5 × 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (5 x 1) 4 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 2) 4 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (4 x 1) 8 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 4) T8 ???? T9 Blanco Encalada (CL) Originally USS Wadleigh "Fletcher Class" (US) or Cuitláhuac (MX) Originally USS John Rogers "Fletcher Class" (US) Armament: 5 × 5 inch (127 mm)/38 guns (5 x 1) 10 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (5 x 2) 7–12 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (7 x 1 or 6 x 2) 10 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 5) T10 Ministro Portales (CL) Originally USS Charles S. Sperry "Allan M Summer Class" (US) Armament: 6 × 5 in (130 mm)/38 guns (3 x 2) [4 sec reload] 12 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 4 and 2 x 2) 10 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (10 x 1) 10 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 5) or Quetzalcoatl (MX) Originally USS Vogelgesang "Gearing Class" (US) Armament: 6 × 5 in (130 mm)/38 guns (3 x 2) [3 sec reload] 12 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 4 and 2 x 2) 10 × × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (10 x 1) 10 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 5) 120mm guns branch T6 Antioquia (CO) Originally Douro "Douro Class" (PT) Armament: 4 - 4.7 in (120 mm)/45 guns (4 x 1) 2 - 2 pdr (40 mm) AA guns (2 x 1) 8 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 4) or Buenos Aires (AR) Based on G-Class or Gallant (UK) Armament: 4 × 4.7 in (120 mm) QF Mark IX guns (4 × 1) 8 × 0.50 in (12.7 mm) Vickers machine guns (2 x 4) 8 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 4) T7 Improved Buenos Aires (AR) Based on G-Class or Gallant with 5 guns (UK) Armament: 5 × 4.7 in (120 mm) QF Mark IX guns (5 × 1) 8 × 0.50 in (12.7 mm) Vickers machine guns (2 x 4) 8 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 4) T8 ???? T9 Garcia y Garcia (PE) Originally HNLMS Holland "Holland Class" (NL) Armament: 4 x 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns (2×2) 1 x 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA gun (1 x 1) More can be added "Anti Submarine Mortars" Note: No Torpedo or T9 Galvez (PE) Originally HNLMS Groningen "Friesland Class" (NL) Armament: 4 x 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns (2×2) 6 x 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA gun (6 x 1) More can be added "Anti Submarine Mortars" Note: No Torpedo T10 Siete de Agosto / Veinte de Julio (CO) Modified "Halland Class" (SE) Built for Colombian Navy Armament: 6 × 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns (3 × 2) 4 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA guns (4 × 1) 8 × 21.0 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 4) "Anti-Submarine Mortars" and T10 Palacios / Ferre Originally HMS Diana / HMS Decoy respectively "Daring Class" (UK) Armament: 6 x 4.5 in (113 mm)/45 guns (3 x 2) 8 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA guns (4 × 1 and 2 x 2) 4 × 21.0 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 5) All Armaments are only stock, WG can edit or custom them. Foot Note: (BR) = Brazil (CO) = Colombia (US) = USA (EE) = Estonia (AR) = Argentina (VE) = Venezuela (UK) = UK (ES) = Spain / Espania (CL) = Chile (EC) = Ecuador (RU) = Russia (SE) = Sweden (PE) = Peru (NL) = Netherlands (MX) = Mexico (GR) = Greece I hope that you like this suggestion. 🙂
  3. I have a Skåne with a 13 point captain, having preventive maintenance, last stand, torpedo reload and CE. Since I am still grinding this line, I am wondering whether BFT would be a good choice to fit in this tech tree. It seems legit to furhter improve the dpm and AA but that also means I need to trade SE or superindendent, maybe even trading BFT with AR. Has anyone tried BFT with Europe DD? How does it feel like? Would losing one of the 3-point skill brings a huge impact?
  4. Hello everyone, The US destroyer line has left me scratching my head. Neither a gunboat due to their floaty shells and average agility, nor torpedo boat with their eh range and fish per minute. Nor a good jack of all trades, when the German and British DDs have more utility and flexibility. I'm currently sitting at T6 Farragut, perhaps not the best example of the line, yet it seemed the line has been disliked now by many i know. Is it true that the line is just eh? What makes them...so mediocre now? Or is there some hidden 300 IQ tricks that i don't know...
  5. Which nation tech tree destroyers have torpedoes with least range? I usually get close to enemies before releasing torpedoes, and the missed ones seem to always hit my allies and get me a pink name. So any suggestions?
  6. Hi Wargameing Dev team, While playing the UK destroyer line it got me thinking, the Commonwealth of Nations fought along side with the British during WW2 in both Atlantic and Pacific theater. And after looking around the internet, I found that it is possible to create a Commonwealth of Nations destroyer line like the Pan-Asia destroyer line. Commonwealth of Nations playstyle/gimmik is the "Creeping Smoke Generator" and the "Individual Torpedo Launch" (Haida and Perth), where as Pan-Asia is "Deep Water Torpedo". The playstyle almost mirrors British DD, smoke, harrass, torp, flee. Almost. But if wargameing has other ideas to make the playstyle unique, I welcome it. Here is what I have come up with when looking around the internet: CA/CL T1 Swan (AU) -> (Grimsby Class) Note: Its T1 DD Line T2 Champlain (CA) -> HMS Torbay (S Class, T Class) Close to HMS Medea T3 Vancouver (CA) -> HMS Vimy (V Class, W Class) Mirrors HMS Valkyrie T4 Waterhen (AU) -> HMS Waterhen (V Class, W Class) Mirrors HMS Wakeful T5 Saguenay (CA) -> (A Class, B Class) Mirrors HMS Acasta T6 Ottowa (CA) -> HMS Griffin (G Class, H Class) Mirrors HMS Galant T7 Quadrant (CA) or Rajput (IN) -> (Q Class, R Class) Note: Unique T7 T8 Jan van Riebeeck (ZA) -> (W Class, Z Class) Note: Unique T8 Note: Either armed with 120 mm or 113 mm or gun can be upgraded / switchable. T9 Anzac (AU) or Badr (PK) -> ("Battle" Class) Mirrors HMS Jutland T10 Voyager (AU) -> (Daring Class) Mirrors HMS Daring Note: HMAS Vampire already used in T3. Note: Like the Voyager satellite, maybe they can do a unique Camo after space battles. 🙂 Branch Tech Tree (One set torpedo launcher but early access to dual mount guns in T7 branch) Edited and added on Dec. 18, 2019 T6 Fraser (CA) -> (C Class) Close to HMS Galant Note: Originally has two set of torpedo tubes. One set was removed for additional 102 mm AA gun. T7 Athabaskan (CA) or Arunta (AU) -> ("Tribal" Class) Mirrors HMS Haida Note: 6 - 120 mm guns and one set of quadruple torpedo tubes. OR T7 Napier (AU) -> (J, K, and N Class) Mirrors HMS Jervis Note: Original N class has only one set of quintule torpedo tubes. T8 Crusader (CA) or Jahangir (PK) -> (Cr Class) Note: Unique T8 T9 Tobruk (AU) or Khaibar (PK) -> ("Battle" Class) Mirrors HMS Jutland Note: Originally built with two sets of torpedo tubes. One will be removed to follow trend. T10 Vendetta (AU) -> (Daring Class) Mirrors HMS Daring Note: Built with only one set of quintuple torpedo tube. T9 Anzac and T10 Voyager guns are too small to do some real damage. In my British Tech Tree Suggestion, I requested for T9 Jutland and T10 Daring be having the option to equip 133 mm (5.25 in guns), or split them as another class with 133 mm (5.25 in) guns installed as default. I would like to see T9 Anzac and T10 Voyager have the same treatment. Either have a 133 mm (5.25 in) guns be optional equipment or have a separate ship with 133 mm (5.25 in) guns as default. Possible premium ships. T6 Leander (NZ) -> HMS Leander (Leander Class) - CL Mirrors HMS Leander T6 Ontario or Quebec (CA) -> HMS Valiant (Queen Elizabeth Class) - BB Mirrors HMS Warspite Note: She was never built, but when Canada plans to build her, she would look line Queen Elizabeth in her 2nd refit in 1926 (with 1 smoke stack but retains the original bridge and secondary armaments of 6 in guns) Note: Although unconfirmed, Australia also plans to procure some Queen Elizabeth class battleships of their own. She would look line Queen Elizabeth in her 2nd refit in 1926 (with 1 smoke stack but retains the original bridge and secondary armaments of 6 in guns) Personal opinion: Due to the success of both Queen Elizabeth Class and Bayern Class, Pan America (Brazil, Argentina, Chile and possibly Peru) and Pan Europe (Spain and Netherlands) planned to procure their own battleships based on both British and German designs. It would be a common sight to see these ships in T6 plays with their own twists and gimmicks. Foot Note: CA = Canada AU = Australia NZ = New Zealand ZA = South Africa IN = India* PK = Pakistan* * = May possibly serve as Pan-Asian ships I hope that you like this suggestion and let me know if I have missed other DD that might mirror them in their respective tiers.
  7. G'day Folks, It's finally here... My Commonwealth Destroyer Video... Hope there aren't any errors, (still disappointed I stuffed up spelling on Delhi on the first one...) No idea when CLs will drop but probably in early September, time will tell. As usual, YouTube and Reddit love appreciated but happy to have In-Depth discussions about anything in the videos, here, on YT or on Reddit!
  8. Hi Wargameing Dev team, I would like to suggest a complete Pan-Europe Destroyer line. With the future release of the Friseland (mmmm..... fries......) and combining Blyskawica to Pan-Europe faction, World of Warships will now have 11 factions to choose from. 7 Nations and 4 Group of Nations. T1 Afonso de Albuquerque (PT) Armament: 4 - 120 mm guns (4 x 1) 2 - 76 mm guns (2 x 1) 4 - 40 mm AA guns (4 x 1) Note: T1 Sloop / Aviso. Considered as a T1 cruiser in the game. T2 Aetos (GR) Armament: 4 - 4 in (102 mm)/50 guns (4 x 1) 4 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (4 x 1) Note: Originally built for the Argentines but later sold to the Greeks T3 Alsedo (EE) Armament: 4 - 4 in (102 mm)/60 guns (4 x 1) 1 - 2 pdr (40 mm) pom-pom Mk. II (1 x 1) 2 - 0.30 in (7.62 mm) MG (2 x 1) 9 - 18 in (450 mm) torpedo tubes (3 x 3) Note: Originally Avtroil (Russian Orfey Class), Captured by Britain 1918, gave it to Estonia, then Sold to Peru 1933 as Almirante Villiar (See Pan America Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion) T4 Lennuk (EE) Armament: 5 - 4 in (102 mm)/60 guns (5 x 1) 1 - 2.5 in (63.3 mm) Model 1916 (1 x 1) 3 - 0.30 in (7.62 mm) MG (3 x 1) 9 - 18 in (457 mm) torpedo tubes (3 x 3) Note: Originally Miklucho Maklai (Russian Izyaslav Class), Captured by Britain 1918, gave it to Estonia, then Sold to Peru 1933 as Alimarnte Guise (See Pan America Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion) T5 Alcala Galiano (ES) Armament: 5 - 4.7 in (120 mm)/45 guns (5 x 1) 1 - 3 in (76 mm) AA guns (1 x 1) 6 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3) Note: Also a possible T5 Pan America Destroyer (Juan de Garay [AR]) See Pan America Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion or T5 Douro (PT) Armament: 4 - 4.7 in (119 mm)/45 guns (4 x 1) 2 - 2 pdr (40 mm) AA guns (2 x 1) 8 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 4) Note: Also a possible T5 Pan America Destroyer (Antioquia [CO]) See Pan America Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion T6 Regele Ferdinand (RO) Armament: 5 - 4.7 in (120 mm)/50 guns (5 x 1) 1 - 3 in (76 mm) AA guns (1 x 1) 2 - 1.6 in (40 mm) AA guns (2 x 1) 6 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (3 x 3) Note: None T7 Grom (PL) Armament: 7 - 4.7 in (120 mm)/50 guns (3 × 2, 1 × 1) 4 - 1.6 in (40 mm) AA guns (2 × 2) 8 - 0.52 in (13.2 mm) MG (4 × 2) 6 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 3) Note: Blyskawica sister and Lead of her Class Note: Same guns found in Regele Ferdinand. 4.7 in (120 mm)/50 made by Bofors From T8 to T10, Netherlands and Sweden were capable of building ships after WW2. Spain went to civil war and is in financial ruin but still managed to build their own ship with US 5 in (127 mm) as optional armament as well as US sold Spain some of their Fletcher, A.M. Summer, and Gearing Class surplus. Greece dont have the finance to build their own ships, hence bought American surplus Fletchers, A.M. Summers, and Gearings. Portugal did not re-arm their navy after WW2. Estonia was absorbed by the Soviet Union. Poland and Roamnia is under the Soviet block, hance ships are protected by Soviet Union Navy Ships or transferred Soviet surplus. Sweden Branch (With Torpedo) T8 Oland (SE) Armament: 4 - 4.7 in (120 mm)/45 cal Bofors M/44 (2 x 2) 7 - 1.6 in (40 mm)/56 cal Bofors M/36 (2 x 2 and 3 x 1) 8 - 0.79 in (20 mm)/60 cal Bofors M/40 (2 x 4) 6 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tube (3 x 2) Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. T9 Halland (SE) Armament: 4 - 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns m/50 (2 × 2) 2 - 2.2 in (57 mm) Bofors guns m/50 (1 × 2) 6 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA guns m/48 (6 × 1) 8 - 21.0 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (1 × 5 and 1 × 3) "Anti Submarine Mortar" Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. T10 Hälsingland (SE) Armament: 4 - 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns m/44 (2×2) 7 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA guns m/48 (7×1) 6 - 21.0 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (1 x 6) "Anti Submarine Mortar" Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. Netherlands Branch (Without Torpedo) T8 Gerard Callenburgh Armament: 5 - 4.7 in (120 mm) guns (2 × 2 and 1 × 1) 4 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 2) 4 - 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (2 x 2) Note: Originally armed with torpedoes, would be wise to remove them as to teach players on their support role and AA specialty like the Friseland. Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. T9 Holland (NL) Armament: 4 - 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns (2×2) 1 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA gun (1 x 1) More can be added "Anti Submarine Mortars" Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. T10 Groningen (NL) Armament: 4 - 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns (2 × 2) 6 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA guns (6 × 1) "Anti Submarine Mortars" Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. Note: Friseland Sister ship Spain Branch (No Torpedo at T9 and T10) T8 Audaz (ES) Armament: (Original) 5 - 4.1 in (105 mm)/45 DP guns (5 x 1) Too small for T8 Armament: (WG Modified) Initial: 5 - 4.7 in (120mm)/50 guns (5 x 1) Upgradeable to: 5 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (5 x 1) US Fletcher Surplus 4 - 1.5 in (37 mm) AA guns (4 x 1) 8 - 0.79 in(20 mm) AA guns (4 x 2) 6 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (3 x 2) Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. Note: Torpedo tubes were removed in later years. T9 Oquendo (ES) Armament: (Hull A) Initial: 4 - 4.7 in (120mm)/50 guns (2 x 2) Upgradeable to: 4 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (2 x 2) US Gearing Surplus 6 - 1.6 in (40mm)/Bofors 40 guns (3 x 2) Armament: (Hull B) Initial: 6 - 4.7 in (120mm)/50 guns (2 x 2) Upgradeable to: 6 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (2 x 2) 6 - 1.6 in (40mm)/Bofors 40 guns (3 x 2) Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. Note: Spanish built destroyer. Completed 1963. Note: Torpedo tubes were removed in later years. T10 Roger de Lauria (ES) Armament: Initial: 6 - 4.7 in (120mm)/50 guns (2 x 2) Upgradeable to: 6 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (2 x 2) US Gearing Surplus 6 - 1.6 in (40mm)/Bofors 40 guns (3 x 2) Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. Note: Spanish built destroyer. Completed 1969. Note: She is an improved and enlarged version of Oquendo Note: Torpedo tubes were removed in later years. US Surplus branch aquired by Spain and Greece T8 Niki (GR) Originally USS Eberle "Gleaves Class (US)" Armament: 4 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 DP guns (4 x 1) 4 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 × 2) 7 - 0.97 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (7 x 1) 5 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (1 × 5) T9 Lepanto (ES) Originally USS Capps "Fletcher Class (US)" or T9 Thyella (GR) Originally USS Bradford "Fletcher Class (US)" Armament: 5 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (5 x 1) 10 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (5 x 2) 7 to 12 - 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (7 x 1 or 6 x 2) 10 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 5) T10 Miaoulis (GR) Originallt USS Ingraham "Allan M Summer Class" (US) Armament: 6 - 5 in (130 mm)/38 guns (3 x 2) [4 sec reload] 12 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 4 and 2 x 2) 10 - 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (10 x 1) 10 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 5) or T10 Langara (ES) Originally USS Leary "Gearing Class (US)" Armament: 6 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (3 x 2) [3 sec reload] 12 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 4 and 2 x 2) 10 - 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (10 x 1) 10 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 5) Eastern Bloc / Destroyer Leader Branch T4 Mărăști or Mărășești (RO) Armament: (Modernized 1927) 4 - 4.7 in (120 mm) guns (2 × 2) 3 - 3.0 in (76 mm) AA guns (3 x 1) or (Hull C) 5 - 4.7 in (120 mm) guns (2 × 2 and 1 x 1) 2 - 3.0 in (76 mm) AA guns (2 x 1) 4 - 17.7 in (457 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 2) Note: Earliest access to twin mounted guns Note: T4 because of the small size and small number of torpedo tubes Note: T4 because her hull is old. Built from 1914 - 1918. Note: T4 since French destroyer leader Bourrasque class is also at T4 with 130 mm guns T5 Zagreb (YU) Armament: 4 - 4.7 in (120 mm) guns (4 × 1) 4 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 × 2) 2 - 0.59 in (15 mm) Skoda MG (2 x 1) 6 - 22 in (550 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 3) Note: Sister ship Beograd was transferred to Germany (German Hydro?) Note: Sister ship Ljubljana was transferred to Italy (Italian SAP?) or T5 Burza (PL) Armament: 4 - 5.1 in (130 mm)/40 guns (4 × 1) 2 - 1.6 in (40 mm) AA guns (2 × 1) 6 - 550 mm/533 mm/450 mm torpedo tubes (2 × 3) Note: Grom 1928 sister. Note: Modified versions of the Bourrasque-class destroyers built for the Polish Navy. T6 Dubrovnik (YU) Armament: 4 - 5.5 in (140 mm)/56 guns (4 x 1) 2 - 3.29 in (83.5 mm) AA guns (2 x 1) 6 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (3 x 2) 2 - 0.59 in (15 mm) Skoda MG (2 x 1) 6 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3) Note: Large destroyer built by UK for Yugoslav Navy T7 Split 1940 (YU) Armament: 5 - 5.5 in (140 mm)/56 guns (4 x 1) 5 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (3 x 2) 4 - 0.59 in (15 mm) Skoda MG (2 x 1) 6 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3) Note: Large destroyer built by Yugoslavia. Note: Comissioned in 1958 with a completly different design. We will go with the original 1939 design for this. T8 Georgi Dimitrov (BG) Armament: 4 - 5.1 in (130 mm)/50 or /55 guns (2 x 2) 2 - 3.3 in (85 mm)/55 AA guns (2 x 1) 6 - 1.5 in (37 mm) AA guns (6 x 1) 6 to 10 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3 possible upgrade to 2 x 5 like Ognevoy) Note: Project 30-K Ognevoy class, Ozornoy, transferred to Bulgaria in 1950 Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. T9 Wicher (PL) Armament: 4 - 5.1 in (130 mm)/50 or /55 guns (2 x 2) 2 - 3.3 in (85 mm)/55 AA guns (2 x 1) 7 - 1.5 in (37 mm) AA guns (7 x 1) 10 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 5) Note: Project 30-bis Skorry class, Skoryy, transferred to Poland in 1958 Note: Original ORP Wicher 1928 was sunk during WW2. Her sister ORP Burza survived the war and was decomissioned in 1960. Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. T10 Warszawa (PL) Armament: 4 - 5.1 in (130 mm)/58 guns (2 × 2) 16 - 1.8 in (45 mm) AA guns (4 × 4) 10 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 5) Note: Project 56 Kotlin class, Spravedlivyy, transferred to Poland in 1970 Note: 5.1 in (130 mm)/ 58 guns are the same guns found in Neustrashimy and Grozovoi Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. I know some of the suggested ships may not make it as WG will put other ships that were not available in the books or internet, but I am sure they are working on to complete the Pan-Europe tech tree. Nation Legend: PL = Poland PT = Portugal ES = Spain / Espania NL = Netherlands GR = Greece RO = Romania EE = Estonia SE = Sweden AT = Austria (Austro-Hungary) YU = Yugoslavia BG = Bulgaria
  9. Max_Blackman

    Tier 5 Destroyer Comparison

    Hey Everyone, I've come across a few posts of people saying that they don't like "X" destroyer and blah blah, you know how it goes. So I decided to look at the stats... and see what ships was the best for what. Here's the results table I got. (attached) Please remember these are only the stats, with no upgrades or anything. If anyone wants another table like this just LMK and I'll see what I can do. Regards, HESH
  10. Type 2 Ka-mi, is known to be the one for the Consumables for Destroyers and Submarines, These units will spawn as an allied AI which can attack ships with Guns and Anti Air, These Amphibious units carried Torpedoes, which can attack Battleships or Cruisers. Only 2 may be spawned at a time and Circling around the destroyer for a long interval (5 minutes)
  11. Just sharing my simple chart for 2019, let me know if there are errors https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GDc-U4_79NVqkk62OIibrLDUu_J-SWXNtZSvOT7altI/edit?usp=sharing
  12. PanzerRunner

    Why I don't play DD

    Because the CV always keeps me spotted? No... Because it's the most hardest class to play? No It's because my PC takes a long time to load into a match... 1 minute after the countdown.
  13. S0und_Theif

    German Tech Tree Suggestion

    Hi WG Dev team, Good day to you all, I would like to propose branch lines for the German tech tree. Please have a look and consider this suggestion. BB will have 2 branch, the battleship and battlecruiser branch CA/CL will have 3 branch, light cruiser, heavy cruiser, and pocket battleship The pocket battleship branch will merge together with the battlecruiser branch at T9. This is due to limited information on Germany's Plan Z, and since Gneisenau's main armament was upgraded to DD will have 2 branch, the 128 mm (5 in) branch and the 150 mm (5.9 in) branch. At T8, Z 23 had the option to mount wither 128 mm (5 in) or 150 mm (5.9 in), but looses the 150 mm (5.9 in) at T9, the Z46. The branch line will allow the player to play the 150 mm (5.9 in) at T9 and T10. Like the Italian T9 and T10, Germany also labeled them as cruisers "Spahkreuzer / SP" but they are comparable to France's Mogador class Large Destroyer, hence they can still be counted as destroyers "Zerstorer / Z" Today I'll start in the reverse order. I'll start from the destroyer aka "loliboats" Original DD line is untouched and will only explain the branch line or the "150 mm (5.9 in) branch" T9 SP1 / Z40 Note: Basically a Z46 armed with 6 - 150 mm (5.9 in)/ 48 guns (3 x 2). Arrangement of 1 forward, 2 aft turret. Note: Due to her size, she is also mounted with 10 - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 5) Note: Germany intended to hide her "cruiser" size by naming her Z40, only later to be named SP1. T10 SP? / Z ?? Note: Basically a Z52 armed with 6 - 150 mm (5.9 in)/ 48 guns (3 x 2). Arrangement of 2 forward, 1 aft turret. Note: Due to her size, she is also mounted with 10 - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 5) Note: Like in the previous tier, Germany intended to hide her "cruiser" size by naming her Z??, only later to be named SP?. Note: Due to her design, she can counter the French Mogador, French Le Fantastique, Italian Etna, Italian Attilio Regolo " Capitani Romani", and the Russian Khabarovsk. Next is Cruisers. Will update in the following days.
  14. S0und_Theif

    British Tech Tree Suggestion

    Hi WG Dev team, Good day to you all, I would like to propose branch lines for the British tech tree. Please have a look and consider this suggestion. BB will have 3 or 4 branch (depend if WG will implement G3 battlecruisers) Branch 1 -> Main Branch (Already in the game) Branch 2 -> Battlecruiser Branch 3 -> Forward Facing BB Branch 4 -> Forward Facing CC DD will have 2 branch. The Main line and the "Intended Armament" branch CA/CL will have 3 branch. CL branch -> Already implemented CA branch -> Questionable to implement due to her main armament is of heavy cruiser, but her armor is light cruiser. You could citadel them with no problem. Though armament can be compensated to fire every 10 sec. AP rounds only? CLAA branch -> Britain's answer to Atlanta, but less 3 turrets or 6 guns. Today I'll start in the reverse order. I'll start from the destroyer aka "loliboats" Original DD line is untouched and will only explain the branch line or the "intended armament branch" T9 Jutland (133 mm / 5.25 in ) Note: She is Jutland "Battle Class" in all aspect, except, instead of the puny 113 mm (4.5 in), she will be armed with 133 mm (5.25 in), which was the original armament for this ship. But due to shortage of the weapon, the British opt for the 113 mm (4.5 in). T10 Daring (133 mm / 5.25 in) Note: She is Daring "Daring Class" in all aspect, except, instead of the puny 113 mm (4.5 in), she will be armed with 133 mm (5.25 in), which was the original armament for this ship. But due to shortage of the weapon, the British opt for the 113 mm (4.5 in). Additional note to WG: The 113 mm (4.5 in) is now the worse performing guns in terms of penetration. Even with Inertia fuse armed, most ships cannot be penetrated. Would request to update the penetration value of the 113 mm. The current value makes the guns useless and only tickles enemy ships. Thanks Some british destoyers were given to their commonwealth allies. See Commonwealth of Nations Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion for more details. Next is Cruisers. Will update in the following days.
  15. Hi WG Dev team, Good day to you all, I would like to propose the Italian tech tree. Although my research is incomplete, I would like to ask for everyone's help in filling in the missing ships. WG team also can have input if they have books or historic plans of the Italian Navy. Missing links: T3 BB T10 BB (Although the T10 BB has names, their configuration is very much theoretical. Usually, what France build, Italy answers and vice versa. Pretty much like what UK builds, Germany answers and vice versa.) T4 CL/CA T8 - T10 CA (Though a pretty much possible T8 and T9 CA will have 10 - 203 mm guns in {3 x 2} and {2 x 2} config, while T10 CA will either have 12 - 203 mm guns or 9 to 10 larger than 203 mm guns if any data exists) I kinda understand why WG have difficulty in implementing the Italian tech tree. I'm not sure but they may be facing the same challenges on getting info in Italian ships. Especially on T8 to T10. WG wants it to be as historically accurate as possible. Which I really appreciate and thank them for their hard work. Although my suggestion may not be read or noticed, I hope this suggestion may help them a bit on the research. Please have a look and consider this suggestion. The Italians have main armaments that has fast velocity and heavy shells. Fast velocity shells = overpens in close range??? Heavy shells = limited range??? Italian consumable gimmick = ? (I'm sure WG is working on this, but anyone can suggest a gimmick. Maybe from the space battle or haloween?) BB main line -> This branch is the main battleship line plays almost like US and Russian BB but has that Italian feel / gimmick BB branch line ->This branch line is some what of an odd ball. It looks, fells, and smells like a Battlecruiser but it doesn't. Small decrease in gun calibre/caliber, and small increase in speed while armor stays the same, while playing as an Italian, these ships feels like you have played them before in France, Germany, USA, UK, and Soviet Tech tree. DD line -> Italian DD line. Destroyer Note: Falco shares her class with Romania. Look into Romanian Destroyer Marasti Class and Regele Ferdinand Class Quick detail 1939 config -> 5 x 1 120 mm, 1941 config -> 2 x 2 120 mm Destroyer Note: Like WOT, the P43 was a heavy tank on paper but it is really a medium tank in real life practice and in the WOT game. Same thing will apply to T9 Etna and T10 Attilio Regolo "Capitani Romani Class". Destroyer Note: According to Wikipedia, T9 Etna and T10 Attilio Regolo "Capitani Romani Class" are consdered as crisers. But their design is more of a "Flotilla Leader", hence a "Large Destroyer" like France's Mogador of T10 and Russia's Khabarovsk of T10 are counter these ships. CL line -> Light cruiser line (T4 no Data) CA line -> Heavy cruiser line (T8-T10 no Data) Cruiser note: Since there is no known light cruiser design after Duca degli Abruzzi / Giuseppe Garibaldi, it is uncertain if there will be a T8 light cruiser line. If -> Theoretical T8 light cruiser exist with 12 guns Light cruiser line stops at T8 and the next re searchable tier will be T8 heavy cruiser, thus ending the light cruiser tech tree. Else If -> Theoretical T9 light cruiser design possible Light cruiser line continues till T10. Else -> Light cruiser line stops at T7 and the next re searchable tier will be T8 heavy cruiser, thus ending the light cruiser tech tree. Cruiser note: French and Italian tech tree will have this similarities. What France makes, Italy responds and vise versa. Battleship T3 ???? Armament: 12 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (4 x 2 , 4 x 1) ?? x 120 mm (4.7 in) guns Note: Battleship designed by Vittorio Cuniberti Personal Opinion: I can only think of 3 designs for this tier (they are not historical and it is only my personal idea or opinion): Design 1: 12 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (6 x 2) - Regina Elena class design. Main armament and secondary armament is armed with dual 305 mm guns (1 Bow, 1 Aft, 2 Port, 2 Starbord). She can fire only 4 turrets per broadside. She will feel like Turenne (French T3 BB) Design 2: 8 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (4 x 2) - Dante Alighieri design but guns are in dual mount in four turrets instead of triple mount. This will make Dante Alighieri feel skinnier due to less number of guns, but give you an idea how Dante Alighieri should be played. Design 3: 9 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (3 x 3) - Dante Alighieri design but guns are in triple mount but in three turrets instead of four. This will make Dante Alighieri feel short and plays like Normandie (French T6 BB). T4 Dante Alighieri Armament: 12 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (4 x 3) 20 x 120 mm (4.7 in) guns (12 x 1 and 4 x 2) 14 × 76.2 mm (3 in) guns (14 x 1) Note: If you are familiar with Soviet BB Gangut or Okt. Revolutsiya, she will play the same as those Soviet BB. T5 Leonardo da Vinci Armament (As built): 13 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (3 x 3 and 2 x 2) 18 × 120 mm (4.7 in) guns (18 x 1) 14 × 76.2 mm (3 in) guns (14 x 1) Armament (Modernized) (Optional) (Hull C): 10 x 320 mm (12.6 in) guns (3 x 2 and 2 x 2) 12 × 120 mm (4.7 in) (6 x 2) 8 × 100 mm (3.9 in)/47 AA guns (4 x 2) Note: She is the 3rd sister of Conte di Cavour and Giulio Cesare. Note: Leonardo da Vinci was sunk while her 2 other sister survived WW1 and got modenized. Option: Hull C, should Leonardo da Vinci survived WW1, she whould get the same upgrade as Conte di Cavour and Giulio Cesare or better. T6 Francesco Caracciolo Armament: 8 × 381 mm (15 in)/ 40 guns (4 x 2) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (12 x 1) 12 × 102 mm (4 in) guns (6 x 2) Note: She is direct counter to QE2 and Bayern Main Branch T7 Michaelangelo or Raffaello Armament: 8 × 381 mm (15 in) /40 or 50 guns (4 x 2) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) /55 guns (4 x 3) 12 × 90 mm (3.5 in) /50 AA guns (12 x 1) 20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) /54 AA guns (10 x 2) 32 × 20 mm (0.79) Breda MG (16 x 2) Note: Preliminary design for Vittorio Veneto class. 8 guns in 4 turrets T8 Vittorio Veneto Armament: 9 × 381 mm (15 in) /50 guns (3 x 3) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) /55 guns (4 x 3) 12 × 90 mm (3.5 in) /50 AA guns (12 x 1) 20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) /54 AA guns (10 x 2) 32 × 20 mm (0.79) Breda MG (16 x 2) Note: Italy's answer to Richelieu Class. Plays like N. Carolina and Monarch. Note: Battle of Vittorio Veneto (WW1) T9 Caporetto (UP.41) Armament: 9 × 406 mm (16 in) guns (3 x 3) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2) 12 × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns (6 x 2) 20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns (10 x 2) Note: UP.41 design. Looks, fells, and smells almost like Sovetsky Soyuz class (Russian T9 BB) Note: Battle of Caporetto (WW1) T10 Repubblica Armament (Design 1 - 4 Turret): 10 / 12 × 406 mm (16 in) guns or 431 mm (17 in) guns (2 x 3 and 2 x 2 / 4 x 3) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2) ?? × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns Armament (Design 2 - 4 Turret) Andrea Doria type: 8 × 451 mm (17.5 in) guns or 8 x 457 mm (18 in) guns (4 x 2) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2) ?? × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns Note: Direct counter to French T10 Republique / Libertie Note: It is unknown if Italy has made plans for a larger calibre/caliber guns no larger than 457 mm (18 in) in this . The largest guns goes to Japan's monstrosity Yamato Note: Since there is no concrete design after and beyond UP.41, I just speculate that Italy may have thought of a design beyond UP.41 but did not came to light as they fell first after WW2 and faced financial hardship. Personal Opinion: I can only think of 3 designs for this tier (they are not historical and it is only my personal idea or opinion): Design 1: She could have 4 turret slots, but armed with 406 mm in 4 triple mount or ???mm in 4 double mount Design 2: She could have 4 turret slots, but armed with 406 mm in 2 triple mount and in 2 double or ???mm in 4 double mount Side Branch T6 Sicilia Armament: 8 x 343 mm (13.5 in)/ 50 guns (4 x 2) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) /55 guns (4 x 3) 10 × 90 mm (3.5 in) /50 AA guns (10 x 1) 20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) /54 AA guns (10 x 2) 32 × 20 mm (0.79) Breda MG (16 x 2) Note: Preliminary design for Francesco Caracciolo. T7 Andrea Doria or Caio Duilio Armament (Modernized 1937): 10 x 320 mm (12.6 in) guns (3 x 2 and 2 x 2) 12 × 135 mm (5.3 in) guns (4 x 3) 10 × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns (10 x 1) 16 x 37 mm (1.5 in) Breda AA guns (8 x 2) 16 x 20 mm (0.79 in) Breda AA guns (8 x 2) Note: I am very sure one of them will be a premium like Dunkerque and Strasbourg or Scharnhorst and Gneisenau. Note: She will be familiar as plays like Lyon and KGV. Small calibre/caliber for her tier but has many guns. T8 Filippo Lippi Armament: 6 × 381 mm (15 in) /40 or 50 guns (3 x 2) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) /55 guns (4 x 3) 10 × 90 mm (3.5 in) /50 AA guns (10 x 1) 20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) /54 AA guns (10 x 2) 32 × 20 mm (0.79) Breda MG (16 x 2) Note: Original preliminary design for Vittorio Veneto. 35,000 ton treaty limit. Note: She will be familiar as plays like Gneisenau. (Which will be moved to T8 because of the battle cruiser suggestion I will make in the future) Side Note: Yes, there is really an Italian painter called Filippo LippiIts and not to be confused with the band "Fra Lippo Lippi" which is Norwegian. Stitches and Burns. T9 Isonzo (UP.41) Armament: 9 × 381 mm (15 in) guns (3 x 3) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2) 12 × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns (6 x 2) 20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns (10 x 2) Note: UP.41 design. Looks, fells, and smells almost like Sovetsky Soyuz class (Russian T9 BB) but armed with 381 mm Note: Battle of Isonzo (WW1) Note: She will be familiar as plays like Iowa or Sovetsky Soyuz with a twist. T10 Impero Armament (Design 1 - 4 Turret): 10 / 12 × 381 mm (15 in) guns (2 x 3 and 2 x 2 / 4 x 3) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2) ?? × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns Armament (Design 2 - 3 Turret): 9 × 406 mm (15 in) guns (3 x 3) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2) ?? × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns Note: She will be familiar as plays like Montana, Conqueror or Iowa , Lion with a twist. Note: It is unknown if Italy has made plans for a larger calibre/caliber guns no larger than 406 mm (16 in) in this branch. The largest guns goes to Japan's monstrosity Yamato Note: Since there is no concrete design after and beyond UP.41, I just speculate that Italy may have thought of a design beyond UP.41 but did not came to light as they fell first after WW2 and faced financial hardship. Personal Opinion: I can only think of 3 designs for this tier (they are not historical and it is only my personal idea or opinion): Design 1: She could have 4 turret slots, but armed with 381 mm in 4 triple mount or ???mm in 4 double mount Design 2: She could have 4 turret slots, but armed with 381 mm in 2 triple mount and in 2 double or ???mm in 4 double mount Next is Cruisers Full details in the following days.
  16. S0und_Theif

    French Tech Tree Suggestion

    Hi WG Dev team, Good day to you all, I would like to propose branch lines for the French tech tree. Please have a look and consider this suggestion. The Frenchy way Consumables: artillery WD40, and NOS BB main line -> The french way, all guns forward (The french makes things different. Think different) BB branch line -> The traditional way with maximum alpha and a bit of french touch (Quad turret) BB Note: Gascogne is not the premium Gascogne, but rather her armament configuration of 1 front 1 rear turret. I currently do not have a name for her. DD torpedo boat line -> Your usual torpedo loli-boats with 550 mm french baguette. Usually armed with 130 mm. Smaller than her other branch. Small size means better concealment compared to her "large" branch. DD "large" boat line -> A implied they are "large" compared to other loli-boats. Usually armed with 139 mm and really fast for her size. (If you have Aigle, she is good practice boat for this line) Due to large size, their concealment suffer, but with her 139 mm guns will make you think twice. (Larger than Lada's (Russian) 130mm but smaller than BMW's (German) 150mm) CL line -> French light cruiser line, artillery WD40 and NOS at T6. CA line -> Early access to CA like Japan, but no artillery WD40 and no NOS Cruiser note: Since there is no known light cruiser design after De Grasse / Chateurenault, it is uncertain if there will be a T8 light cruiser line. If -> Theoretical T8 light cruiser exist with 12 guns Light cruiser line stops at T8 and the next re searchable tier will be Charles Martel, T8 heavy cruiser, thus ending the light cruiser tech tree. Else If -> Theoretical T9 light cruiser design possible Light cruiser line continues till T10. Else -> Light cruiser line stops at T7 and the next re searchable tier will be Charles Martel, T8 heavy cruiser, thus ending the light cruiser tech tree. Cruiser note: French and Italian tech tree will have this similarities. What France makes, Italy responds and vise versa. Battleship T3 Turenne No change T4 Courbet No change T5 Bretagne No change T6 Normandie No change Forward Guns Branch (The French way) T6 Preliminary Dunkerque Armament: 8 × 305 mm (12 in)/50 (?) guns (2 x 4) ?? × 130 mm(5.1 in)/45 guns (? x 4 and ? x 2) ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in)/50 guns (? x 2) ?? × 13.2 mm (0.52 in)/76 Hotchkiss MG (? x 1 and ? x 2) Note: I am a bit skeptical at 305 mm being on T6. But the Lyon with 340 mm is on T7 so..... T7 Strasbourg Armament: 8 × 330 mm (13 in)/50 guns (2 x 4) 16 × 130 mm(5.1 in)/45 guns (3 x 4 and 2 x 2) 8 × 37 mm (1.5 in)/50 guns (4 x 2) 8 × 13.2 mm (0.52 in)/76 Hotchkiss MG (8 x 1) Armour: Belt: Dunkerque: 225 mm Strasbourg: 283 mm Deck: Dunkerque: 115 – 125 mm Strasbourg: 127 – 137 mm Turrets: Dunkerque: 150 – 330 mm Strasbourg: 160 – 360 mm Conning tower: 270 mm Note: Armour shows the difference between Dunkerque and Strasbourg. While both ships will have 26s reload time, only Dunkerque will get the WD40 Armament reload booster, while Strasbourg dose not. Question: Should Dunkerque move up to T7 along with her sister Strasbourg or stay at T6? T8 Richelieu Armament: 8 × 380 mm (15 in)/45 guns (2 x 4) 9× 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3) Note: No change. Side Note: Richelieu's Hull A is similar to Clemenceau, the 3rd sister of the Richelieu class, where she recieves 2 extra secondary turrets in her sides insted of usual AA armament of 37mm and 13.2mm were placed. T9 Flandre (Project 4 Richelieu Class) Armament: 9 - 12 × 380 mm (15 in)/45 guns (3 x 3 or 3 x 4) 9 × 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3) 24 × 100 mm (3.9 in)/45 guns (12 x 2) Note: French Nelson. Note: Turret C is facing forward. T10 Liberte Armament: 8 x 431 mm (17 in)/50 guns (2 x 4) 16 x 127 mm (5 in)/54 guns (8 x 2) 9 x 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3) Note: Republique has 1 forward and 1 rear turret, Liberte has both turret in front and none in the rear. Traditional Style Branch T7 Lyon Armament: 16 x 340 mm (13.4 in)/45 guns (4 x 4) 24 × 130 mm(5.1 in)/45 guns (4 x 4 and 4 x 2) 40 × 37 mm (1.5 in)/50 guns (20 x 2) 24 × 13.2 mm (0.52 in)/76 Hotchkiss MG (12 x 2) Note: No change. Side Note: there were 2 other designs for Lyon and they can be sold as premium. Other Design 1 (Turret Configuration): There was a competing design for Lyon with 2 turrets forward (A, B)and 2 turrets rear (X, Y) (The center turret (C) was moved forward). This means she can fire 8 guns insted of only 4. (source: Journal of United States Artillery, example Tourville) Other Design 2 (Armament Size): there were plans to mount Lyon with 8 380 mm guns, but later abandoned due to time constraints. Personal Opinion: Lyon seems to have a mistake in her design in an engineering stand point. Her funnel is in the front near the bridge tower. Does this mean either the engine is between Turret A and Turret C and have extra long gears to the propeller. Or the engine is in the correct position (which is near in the middle) and have created a long shaft funnel to go forward. Which may heat up the magazine room in Turret C and cause catastrophic explosion. I know im being nit picky on this but it just looks wrong. We can open a discussion this in another topic in the forum. T8 "Gascogne" type Armament: 8 × 380 mm (15 in)/45 guns (2 x 4) 9× 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3) Note: She is Gascogne in all manner and configuration but she is not Gascogne. Gascogne is a premium and will find another name for her, but the configuration of the armament replicates Gascogne. T9 Alsace (N3) Armament: 12 × 380 mm (15 in)/45 guns (3 x 4) 9 × 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3) 24 × 100 mm (3.9 in)/45 guns (12 x 2) Note: No change. Note: The only odd one in the branch as she has rear turret. T0 Republique Armament: 8 x 431 mm (17 in)/50 guns (2 x 4) 16 x 127 mm (5 in)/54 guns (8 x 2) 9 x 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3) Note: No change. Next is Cruisers Full details in the following days.
  17. Hey, guys, I make a short video, I do get a lot of this even i use defensive AA or Catapult plane carrier still can attacking you easily very easy in fact... this one of my examples, so yeah WG, please balance at least don't ever make a game where there 2 CV in one game Destroyer have a really important role, when this CV's out it really cripple DD, radar already make destroyer hard please don't do this to Us ( DD player )
  18. Hi Wargameing Dev team, Blyskawica is kinda lonely being the only Polish destroyer in the tech tree. Could you also add her sister and her predecessor: T6 ORP Wicher Armament (1939): 4 × 5.1 in (130 mm) guns (4 x 1) 2 × 2 pdr (40 mm) wz. 28 AA guns (2 x 1) 4 × 0.52 in (13.2 mm) wz. 30 HMGs (2 x 2) 6 × 550 mm/533 mm/450 mm torpedo tubes (3 x 2) ORP Burza Armament 1939: 4 × 5.1 in (130 mm) guns (4 x 1) 2 × 2 pdr (40 mm) wz. 28 AA guns (2 x 1) 4 × 0.52 in (13.2 mm) wz. 30 HMGs (2 x 2) 6 × 550 mm/533 mm torpedo tubes (3 x 2) Armament 1955: 4 x 100 mm guns (4 x 1) [definitely will require inertia fuse HE or maintain penetration of 20mm to be flexible] 8 × 1.5 in (37 mm) guns (4 x 2) 6 × 550 mm/533 mm torpedo tubes (3 x 2) T7 ORP Grom Armament 1936: 7 × 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors wz. 34/36 guns 4 × 1.6 in (40 mm) AA Bofors guns (2 x 2) 8 × 0.52 in (13.2 mm) AA Hotchkiss HMG (4 x 2) 6 × 550 mm/533 mm torpedo tubes (2 x 3) ORP Blyskawica Armament 1937: 7 × 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors wz. 34/36 guns (3 x 2 and 1 x 1) 4 × 1.6 in (40 mm) AA Bofors guns (2 x 2) 8 × 0.52 in (13.2 mm) AA Hotchkiss HMG (4 x 2) 6 × 550 mm/533 mm torpedo tubes (2 x 3) Armament 1941: 8 × QF 4-inch (102 mm) Mk XVI dual-purpose guns (4 x 2) [definitely will require inertia fuse HE or maintain penetration of 20 mm to be flexible] 4 × 1.6 in (40 mm) AA Bofors guns (2 x 2) 8 × 0.79 in (20 mm) AA Oerlikon guns (4 x 2) 6 × 550 mm/533 mm torpedo tubes (2 x 3) ORP Wicher and ORP Grom was sunk during the war, and ORP Burza and ORP Blyskawica survived the war. What if, ORP Wicher and ORP Grom can switch torpedo armament, while ORP Burza and ORP Blyskawica can switch artillery armament. Torpedo Armament for Wicher and Grom: 550 mm = 7 to 8 km, 18400 dmg 533 mm = 8 to 9 km, 14400 dmg Artillery Armament for Burza: 130 mm = 6.5 sec reload 1900 HE dmg and 2500 AP dmg 100 mm = 4.5 sec reload 1600 HE dmg and 2100 AP dmg Artillery Armament for Blyskawica: 120 mm = 6.5 sec reload 1700 HE dmg and 2200 AP dmg 102 mm = 4.5 sec reload 1500 HE dmg and 2000 AP dmg This will make them flexible and be comfortable to players who wish to brawl or ninja their enemies. I hope you will take these into consideration. 🙂
  19. Hi Waregameing Dev Team, Would like to suggest to add Estonian Destroyer Vambola at T3. And Lennuk at T4, Vambola is Kapitan Miklucha Maklai (Orfey Class Destroyer - Russia) Lennuk is Avtroil (Izyaslav Class Destroyer - Russia) Both ships are from Russia, both ships were captured by the British in 1918, given to the Estonian Navy. Like Polish Destroyer Blyskawica, they may be premeiums and may or may not have unique playstyle. And fly the Estonian flag. Note: Both ships were sild to Peru in 1933: Vambola as Almirante Villar Lennuk as Almirante Guise These 2 may be possible to create a Pan-America Destroyer line. Although my research is still incomplete, but it is possible to create a Pan-American Destroyer line. Just need a Playstyle/Gimmik
  20. Hi Waregameing Dev Team, Would like to suggest to add Romanian Destroyers Marasti and/or Marasesti at T6. And Regele Ferdinand and/or Regina Maria at T7 Like Polish Destroyer Blyskawica, they may be premeiums and may or may not have unique playstyle. And fly the Romanian flag.
  21. SilentFLame

    Recommended Premium DD

    Hi All Been getting back into the game recently and was thinking of dropping some cash on a premium ship finally. Been enjoying my destroyers to no end so i'm thinking of grabbing a premium one of those. But having been out of the loop for a while I was wondering if you guys had any recommendations on which one will be a sound purchase? I've heard a lot of good things about the Loyang due to it's hydro but thought i'd check in again since that thread was from 2017. Thanks in advance all! (and sorry if this is a question asked hundreds of times before, I don't dwell on the forums and couldn't see a similar thread in the more recent posts)
  22. My crappy ISP may have prevented me in sating my ships (and blue bawks duties) gameplay this few months, but at least it won't screw over whats long overdue: badposting about ships. Might badpost about Mogador if I'm that eager to. I PRESENT TO YOU THE LE FANTASQUE Because large destroyers carrying big guns and scoffing at fellow destroyers' speeds make peepees hard apparently. Back in the days, the notions on how2destroyer wasn't exactly clear as day to most and people got raving about what a destroyer is all about. I mean after the "stop spamming dreads" rule that is the Washington Naval Treaty as well as the tonnage enforcement it lugged around, France wasn't exactly waiting around since they had some stuff to laugh like madmen for... I mean THIS destroyer impressed everyone: ... and it ain't helping that nations were also looking at torpedo tech, better ship design via trial n error and improved boiler stuff since designs had to be chopped up in order to be sort of compliant to the Treaty. Then come the French laughing like madmen in the design board with their own versions on how2destroyer. Normally, there are two 'lines' on French destroyer thought: the torpilleur d'escadre and the contre-torpilleur, basically torpedo oriented destroyers and destroyers that kill destroyers. the TE's are the ones that aggressively torpedo big ass ships like cruisers and battleships but if there's a destroyer squadron near the targets, they run away from that while also torpedoing them in the hopes of blasting one or two in order for the CT's to move in and just pulverize the crap out of them WHILE TORPEDOING THEM as well if they get to optimal range. Now this notion is presented because the contre-torpilleurs have big guns (and they can not lie), and I mean big since what madman crams 138's on destroyers? the CT's that's what. Oh and did I forget to mention the CT's also have the potential of chasing destroyers and gunning them down with speed? The first of these were the Jaguars but the most gritty and fastest ones are the Le Fantasques, THIS destroyer being very most notable because GLORIOUS 45.1 KTS SPEED DURING SHAKEDOWN HURR. Mogador and her sisters can't be gritty enough as they manly death'd at Toulon to give the Germans the giant middle finger. You guys already saw an example of a torpilleur d'escadre and played one before: Cyclone of the Bourrasque class during the Dunkirk evacuation and to those that bought Aigle, congratulations, you are playing the lead ship of the Aigle contre-torpilleur destroyers. BEHOLD, LE TERRIBLE. and yes I shed manly tears when I saw this DD, stats be damned I WANT ONE. Lets talk about big sister Le Fantasque. Contrary to looks, this destroyer and her sisters are legitimately thicc. No really, they are. Apparently the Vauquelins need more beef and hax and the most ideal solution is to start building a destroyer while chanting "stronger, faster, better, tougher", the end result of those shenanigans being the Le Fantasques. The destroyers got better 138's (longer ones to be exact compared to the 138.6/40 aboard the Aigle as they were 138.6/50 and had better charges) in single mount AB-Q-XY's, some 37mm close-in AA guns, 13mm machine guns, 550mm torpedoes with nine tubes divided to three each, one in the aft on the centerline and the others on both starboard and portside as well as depth charge racks which were within the stern (the depth charges literally exited her ass in two separate racks), later got some 40mm Bofors and 20mm Oerlikons as well as some radar and sensor hax after sitting idly in the US. The damn things could run at 40 kts nominal but as it stood, 43 was just full-on flank for the things, and this is saying much on Terrible running naked during shakedown which made her reach 45.1 kts and to this day, no ship can still catch up to her. most of her space is just gritty engine. And boy there were big... not just the guns... they were larger than the contemporary destroyer. I mean because the madmen made these monsters of destroyers without batting an eyelash, its not really surprising yet weird at the same time that skubs had to reclass em as "light cruisers". yes, LIGHT CRUISERS. let that sink in. About the guns... Normally, being destroyers whose single mode of existence during surface warfare is to rip apart other destroyers, getting dakka was fine, but somehow the French wanted RPC (Remote Power Control) where the gunner with the rangefinder slaves the guns to where he's looking at up top but for strange and derpy reasons, it didnt exactly quite work out with destroyers which is a shame since the Fantasques were quite decent gun platforms that didnt list a lot in rough swells but at least the things were working in Richelieu's 155's during Dakar so there's that. Running out from the Lorient Arsenal, she was just doing some runs (and showing off her blistering speed) and then some when Germany steamrolled on Poland and the threat of red flagged raiders loomed so she and Le Terrible decided to become privateers (Jean Bart and Surcouf shed manly tears in their graves) and actually plastered as well as capture merch ships and was part of the forces that tried to whack Graf Spee. It wasn't helping that the Germans were also beating the hell out of the hardened French units on the ground so they were placed at Dakar along with Richelieu when a Brit task force was rolling towards the port in order to drop a gigantic STOP in their faces since DeGaulle believed that he can convince the garrison there to join the Brits since the whacking at Mels el Kebir was apparently a big oopsie on the Brits' part via Force H apparently and be sailing as part of the Allied fleet and things went sideways... A LOT. I mean bad weather was getting in the way and add the fact everybody was just poking shells at each other without gritty effect and Richelieu was still not exactly combat ready but a turret did respond to Barham and Resolution after getting hit while Le Fantasque and another destroyer was running smokescreens to cover the more tougher units at Dakar which included a couple of cruisers as the local station but because GLORIOUS SPEED, she was bracketed but goddamn didn't even suffer a brutal hit. Torch happened and both her and Le Terrible went to Brooklyn for a facelift that gave them a load of stuff like ASDIC, surveillance radar, better AA dakka than what they had, and overhauls and sent them to be Richelieu's aides as she herself was in there with turret B practically blown up because lolshells. Then they reignited their privateer blood and started wreaking havoc on German convoy lanes, one of them getting rather daring to plaster the crap out of the convoy by doing what they were made to do: get in and plaster the crap out of enemy ships and get out like a boss as well as provide gun drive-by's. Ran later in Indochina and eventually rested after a long and crazy run. Now people might say "lol France has a navy?" and shens like that but if there's one thing their grit carried on, it was the Le Fantasques. Sure it wasn't as manly tear inducing as Taffy 3, the Benson Laffey getting in the deep at Guadalcanal or the crazy game of tag the convoy at Ormoc, but these destroyers served their tenure. Derp.exe is over. I'd like to thank my friend for letting me borrow Jordan's book about FRDD's
  23. There is Tachibana Lima (tier 2 premium destroyer) mission available for both EU an NA servers. The mission runs between 23rd May to 4th June. https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/common/free-premium-tachibana/ Why is this mission not available for Asian server ? Its a Japanese Ship so why not for players playing game on Asian server ? It would have been nice if it was made available for us.
  24. The IJN DD line is split in two. I find I prefer the alternate tech tree boats, the stealthier Minekaze/Hatsuharu/Shiratsuyu over the larger, main line DDs, Mutsuki/Fubuki/Akatsuki. Though I liked Mutsuki well enough, I could not adjust to the high detection radius and low speed / maneuverability of Fubuki or Akatsuki. My favorite ship of the combined lines up to T7 is Hatsu. Over time my IJN DD playstyle has adapted to (and stuck at) the ultra-stealth ability of that particular ship so I'm struggling to do much of anything with Akatsuki. How do you do well in Akatsuki when you are so easy to spot and so sluggish to move? I can't seem to be able to effectively contest caps given the high number of Russian and USN gunboats in play, and even spotting for the team risks being outspotted by enemy DD and deleted by the supporting high tier, high DPM cruisers... I'm definitely missing some key point somewhere. Maybe play much closer support to friendly ships? Maybe do the lone flank run and torp enemy BBs?
  25. I basically started this game out after looking how beautiful Yamato is. well I did get a Musashi already and made a rant in my first post :P now im getting really used to it. So one way or the other I played WoWs for 2 years now. back then I didnt have anything noteworthy but still remember how OP Minekaze was at tier 5. And how bad Mutsuki was at tier 6. which is now downgraded to being both tier 5 and Minekaze getting nerfed. But seriously its still OP as hell dang. And I mean its good! I use it to release stress and just literally rekt all the straight full speed ahead no manueaver battleships. Minekaze has 5.4 spotting range with full camo and skills + 41Knts of speed with speed flag. Its crazy! torpedoes reload in 40 sec and you can literally spam them geez. Minekaze is the most fun IJN DD I've played so far. (I have until Kagero unlocked and Hatsuharu on the second tree.) Ive never played Akizuki but I'm planning to get it sometime soon. Minekaze is exactly what you would expect in a japanese DD. Bad guns slow turret traverse, fast speed, super good concealment. And lastly which is the most important a Torpedo spamming scrub like I am :D just fantastic ship love it. Its basically a Kamikaze on the main tree. If you havent you should try this hell of a fun ship. its just pure amazing.
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