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  1. 2022年5月06日更新 軽巡実装確定に伴い第三に変更 日本の場合、球磨の次が古鷹で重巡洋艦が始まりとなり、アメリカの場合は軽巡と重巡で分かれるわけですが。 日本においても巡洋艦で分岐があったら面白いのでは……と常々思います。 が、軽巡ツリーにしてしまうと矢矧が5に居る以上、長良とか川内とかをそれより上にもってくるのにも抵抗があります。 しかしそれでは数が足りない。――と考えるも、似たような外観しているのがあるではないかと。水上機母艦というのが。 →https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-LcU9W2TGI 15分25秒ぐらい  あ……日本で普通に軽巡ツリー作ってしまえるのですね……ちょっと残念ですが第三ツリーとして引き続き更新しながら期待します。  152mm、155mm、150mm砲ですか ……大淀入ってたらこのツリー撤回になるのかな……?  魚雷無いから大丈夫だと思いたいが、Zaraの前例があるという。 →阿賀野が実在、五ヶ瀬が計画有り、他すべて架空艦でありますか。  色々思うところはございますが、アメリカで第三の、しかも航空戦艦=ハイブリッドツリーとのこと。  というわけで改めてこのツリーは期待したい。  ……ところで長らくそのままになってますが、このトピックの編集結果は許されているのですね? イタリア空母の方は即修正受けてましたが。  朱色はいいのかな? よって、水上機母艦から始まり、航空巡洋艦に続くツリーというのはどうでしょう。海外艦には(多分)無い完全独自ルートとなります。 枠組みは巡洋艦としての提案です。 航空機で空母がアレコレ言われている問題は存じておりますが、テストの利根を見る限り戦闘機のロケット弾は無いようですし、どう考えても空母艦載機に速度で劣りますし、搭載機も数の都合枯れやすいでしょう。回復の速度はどう考えれば良いのかわかりませんでしたが。 ただ水上機な分、せめて索敵範囲は勝ってほしい。あとできれば対潜もほしい。 操作も、やはりテスト鯖のように航空機操作中は空母と同様にすればよいかと。(航空機操作中砲雷撃戦不可) プレミアム艦艇、Tier8利根が実装され、艦載機一種の方針がハイブリット艦艇に確立。 よって、雷撃の伊勢利根や、ロケット弾のKearsargeとも差別化するため、急降下爆撃を主体としたツリーとしたい。 4球磨→5千歳or瑞穂→6日進→7大淀→8最上改→9利根→10架空艦 T4球磨→T5日進→T6大淀→T7最上改→T8筑摩→T9 G6 orG8(蒼龍原案) or架空艦~ 蒼龍以外は艦橋前にすべて主砲が集中し、後部が航空機カタパルトという共通点があります。 そして蒼龍原案は全通甲板のほぼ空母。正直コレはよく検討し、過空艦採用も検討。 日進が実際のところ水上機母艦ではあるが、他に入れられそうなのがないのと、航空機を扱うという開始地点としては良いのではないかと。 なお、かつて行われた、実装してほしい日本艦アンケートにおいて 千歳:1票 日進:2票 大淀:5票(仁淀含む) 利根:16票 と、このアンケートにおいて実装されたのは北上でありましたが 本提案ツリーに含まれている艦もそれなりに票が入っている。 ○長所 ・砲弾の散布界が特に狭い。  まず日本艦という時点で散布界は良好だが、主砲の艦首集中配備により更に良くなっている。  この特徴は利根ですでに確認できる。 ・航空機搭載  水上機なれど航空機は航空機。索敵でも航空攻撃でも何にでも使える。  本提案では急降下爆撃が前提であるが、それがAPでもHEでも、まさかのSAPでも有効だろう。  (提案者としては第一希望APで第二希望がSAP)  しかし利根が1回のみで魚雷8本同時投下であったが、本ツリーでは何発落とさせれば良いのだろうか。  4発で反復できるくらいだろうか? ○短所 ・撤退戦に弱い  後部主砲がないので引き撃ち出来ない。 ・序盤に魚雷がない  これは最上まで到達できれば何とかなる。  (IF搭載も前例はあるが……) ・多分調整がかなり入る  バランス調整の影響がかなりちょくちょく入ってスペックが上下動するだろう……多分。 ○不明 ・隠蔽  利根はだいぶ良い方であるが……本提案では日進とG6がかなり悪いと思われる。  思われる止まりだが。 ・生存性  利根がだいぶ良かったので期待したい所。 ○軍艦 TIER5 千歳or瑞穂(画像は瑞穂)(検討) 千歳 瑞穂 全長 192.50m 192.5m 全幅 18.80m 20.0m 最大速 29.0ノット 22ノット 主砲 12.7cm連装高角砲2基4門 12.7cm連装高角砲3基6門 雷装 無し 無し 速さの千歳、砲撃の瑞穂といったところか。搭載機数は同じ(補用は瑞穂が4機多い)。 こちらは高角砲ではあるが、駆逐艦と同じ12.7cm。砲撃はつらそう。水上機主体となるか。 だが、潜水艦の実装に合わせて甲標的でも搭載できれば……難しいだろうが。 ここは削り日進以降を一つずつ下ろしてもいいと思います。 最上を8にスべく入れたようなものなので。 TIER5 日進 全長 198.5m 最大幅 21.0m 最大速 28ノット 主砲 14cm連装砲3基6門 雷装 無し 実情はともかくパッと見は千歳や瑞穂よりは巡洋艦に近づく。14cm連装砲3基と香取や夕張よりは多い。雷装無いが。 この次が航空巡洋艦となるにふさわしそうな外観である。 砲撃もそれなりにできるだろう。 同Tireの青葉と比べた場合あちらは20cm砲3基なので、口径で負けてるが、投射量なら勝る。 こちらも甲標的母艦でもあるので雷装はそちらでも保管となれるか。 TIER6 大淀 全長 192.00m 最大幅 16.60m 最大速 35ノット 主砲 15.5cm3連装砲2基6門 雷装 無し ようやく文句ない巡洋艦となる。航巡として竣工したわけではないが、航空機搭載量は多い。 公式日本語Twitterでされていたアンケートで、実装してほしい艦にも入っていましたし、できればプレ艦ではなくツリーであってほしい。 魚雷無いけど航空機はそれなりに積める。最上が現仕様で15.5cm砲ユーザ―が多い。大淀は2基。 雷装がないが、通信機能に長けた艦ですので、消耗品で電探やソナーなどで優れた艦としてどうでしょう。 米巡にやや近くなるのではないだろうか。後部主砲無いが。 TIER7 最上改 全長 200.6 m 全幅 20.6m 最大速 36.486ノット 主砲 20.3cm連装砲3基6門 雷装 61センチ3連装魚雷発射管4基12門 最上と最上改で両方がそれぞれ別にツリーに居ることになる。名前に関してはパッと思いついた物なのでこれである必要はない。 2番艦の三隈以降でないのは、ツリーがどこも1番艦であるから。そして航巡化したのが最上のみであるため。 これに関しては、ソ連側で「Гангут(ガングート)」と「Октябрьская революция(オクチャブリスカヤ レヴォリューツィア)」の両方が実装されている前例がある以上、問題ないだろう。 できれば15.5cm砲に換装可能であってほしい。 現在Tier8なので、主砲が減る分Tierを1つ下げ7に。 TIER8 筑摩 全長 201.6 m 全幅 19.4 m 最大速 35.55ノット 主砲 20.3cm連装砲4基8門 雷装 61cm3連装魚雷発射管4基12門 1番艦の利根が実装されたので二番艦の筑摩。 Tier2に同名艦が実装されているが、あちらは三番艦の平戸に変更してほしい。もしくは両立。 利根との差別化は艦載機でやっていただきたい。 艦載機以外はそのまま利根流用でよろしいかと。 Tier9 G6(蒼龍前身案) 要検討 全長 240m 全幅 21.7m 最大速 36ノット 主砲 20.3cm連装砲3基6門 雷装 無? Wikipedia曰く、蒼龍は全通甲板の航空巡洋艦になる予定だったらしい。 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/G6_(空母) なんと70機も搭載するつもりだったとのこと。 魚雷はなくなるわ、これ普通に空母じゃないのとか思うところはあるが……Kearsargeがあるからまだいいのだろうか…… でもあちらは戦艦で16インチ砲4基8門。こちらは8インチ砲3基6門。 ドイツの「Manfred Richthofen」は形状的に近いが……ロシアに重航空巡洋艦なんてのもあるしまぁ…… ……正直、これは無理ではないかなと思う。やるにしても魔改造は必要かと。10インチ砲とか。 主砲減るし、元の蒼龍の相方的ポジションの飛龍でもかつてはTier7。Tierを押し上げるだけの魔改造は何度考えても必要となる。 装甲空母に準ずる装甲諸々とかも検討か。 ただそれでも空母並の旋回力になるだろうしその辺どうするのよ。 ここだけ水上機でなく艦上爆撃機の彗星か流星にするべきかと。 それか白龍の天雷。哨戒戦闘機もいいとすら思う。 雷撃爆撃兼用機ばかりだし、本当に准空母として、この全通甲板なら両方載せても良いのではないだろうか。 つまり、主砲が撃てる分駆逐艦の奇襲には強いが、その分艦載機運用に制限がかかる空母となるか。 かなり空母寄りになるだろうが、これ調整どうすれば良いのだろう…… Tier10 G8(蒼龍前身案) 要検討 全長 240m? 全幅 21.7m? 最大速 36ノット 主砲 20.3cm連装砲5基10門 雷装 無? 上の画像は風洞実験のもの。 連装砲5基も搭載するらしいが、これのどこに搭載しているのだろうか。ぱっと見連装2基だし。 G6もそうなのだが、1万トンの龍驤より小さい船体に最上の武装と航空機100基という仕様。無理だろうとしか言いようがない。 ちなみに蒼龍は1万6千トン。 画像を見つけてしまったので急遽書き始めている。 史実においてはトップヘビーを理由に、巡洋艦でなく空母で作ろうとなり、蒼龍が生まれている。 それでも、WGなら、やってくれると信じたいところ。 Tier9 or10 改利根型巡洋艦 要検討 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/改利根型重巡洋艦 全長 ? 全幅 ? 最大速 ? 主砲 20cm連装砲4基 雷装 ? 計画としてあった一番無難な気がする案。 ただ画像という画像にスペックも何もかも見つからず。 おかげで良いとも悪いとも言えない……が、上の案が特殊過ぎるだけにこちらになるのだろうと思う。 (が、それはそれで惜しい……せめてどちらかプレ艦で……) 筑摩派生日本巡洋艦の第三ツリー案 →プレカン以外望み消える T9以降が思いつかず、とりあえず埋めようと出してみた海自護衛艦DDH。 仕様が違いすぎる……どう考えてもこの枠組にして良いものではない。 が、これはこれとして、派生の別枠実装良いのでは? となって第三ツリーの提案にして出すことに。 別トピックとするのは第二実現後で。  駆逐艦だけどまぁ似たようなことやってるツリーあるし良いだろう。 駆逐枠に軽巡とか巡洋艦枠に戦艦とか。 Tier9 DDH-141 はるな 要検討 全長 153m 全幅 17.5m 最大速 31ノット以上 主砲 73式54口径5インチ単装速射× 2門 雷装 74式アスロック8連装発射機 × 1基 68式3連装短魚雷発射管 × 2基 少なくも急降下爆撃機は載せられない。 5インチの超連射主砲に高対空、高対潜。 DDHなので艦載機がヘリコプターになる。 HSS-2BもしくはSH-60J  魚雷投下になるだろうか。 それか陸自機のAH-1S積んででロケット弾打ち込むとかとなるか。 後半まで生き残っている潜水艦は、見つからない時は本当に見つからない。 対潜艦なので、潜航中の潜水艦を探知しながら飛べるヘリコプターは、空母艦載機よりはだいぶ遅いけど、軍艦よりはだいぶ速いという扱いで良いのではないだろうか。 ……対空砲火に入ったらまず生き残れないでしょうし。 対艦攻撃力が下がる代償としてはよろしいかと。 そういう意味では魚雷も見つけられたらこのヘリは良いと思う。 Tier10 DDH-143 しらね 要検討 全長 159m 全幅 17.5m 最大速 32ノット以上 主砲 73式54口径5インチ単装速射× 2門 雷装 74式アスロック8連装発射機 × 1基 68式3連装短魚雷発射管 × 2基 同上。 「はるな」を採用するならセットでこうなるだろうという感じ。 新ツリー作るにも数が足りないな―とここまで書いて思いました。 水上機母艦は数合わせ感強いですが、上記の通り、航空機を運用しようというきっかけ感は強いかと思ってます。甲標的なんかは無理でしょうけど、潜水艦が実装されるなら…… 千歳瑞穂に関しては削り、利根をテスト同様に8にするのもありだと思います。 最上改が7となってしまいますが、ドイツツリーでAdmiral_Hipperが8であるが、これを空母化改装したWeserが6という例もあるのでこちらも特に問題ないかと。 駆逐以外で分岐とか面白いと思うのですがどうでしょう。 日本の場合、巡洋艦で航巡ぐらいしか分岐先が思いつかなかったというのもあってこういうのを考えてみました。数が足りないので水上機母艦も足しましたが、日進とか良いと思うのですがね。 新規投稿で戦艦ツリーの分岐を考えられている方も居られますが、巡洋艦でもどうでしょう。 TIER10はもう全然思いつかないので架空でないと無理かと……どうしましょう。 一応蒼龍前身案を出したものの、正直架空艦になるだろうと思ってる。 蒼龍のままなら相当な改造が必要となります。 架空艦を採用するならどうすべきか。名前だけなら秩父とかありますが。 本当に名前だけのしかもアメリカで言われてただけのですが。名前は白龍みたいな前例もありますしどうにでも。 今の所軽巡の予算で作られたこともあり、重巡枠であっても河川の名前がつけられております。 よって河川名で行く場合、軍艦未使用河川名としては次のようなものがある。 天塩 雨竜 石狩 新冠 十勝 釧路 常呂 頓別 沙流 尻別 岩木 奥入瀬 米代 雄物 一ツ瀬 久慈 隅田 小貝 渡良瀬 鶴見 境 相模 小櫃 養老 千曲 姫 黒部 揖斐 九頭竜 富士 安倍 円山 旭 斐伊 高津 阿武 錦 太田 芦田 四万十 緑 肘 那賀 物部 遠賀 山国 五ヶ瀬 荒 河川の大きさや知名度的には荒川とか黒部とか良いと私は思うのだが。 重巡として通常通りに山にするなら、未使用は次となる。 利尻 大雪 音更 白雲 手稲 藻岩 樽前 大平 函館 礼文 武華 小泉 美瑛 富良野 羅臼 斜里 阿寒 幌尻 楽古 恵庭 昆布 長万部 八甲田 岩木 姫神 早池峰 森吉 寒風 栗駒 飯豊 磐梯 安達太良 白根 男体 武尊 雲取 武甲 箱根 稲場 弥彦 戸隠 高洲 穂高 乗鞍 御嶽 赤石 秋葉 鳳来寺 恵那 大台ヶ原 若草 護摩壇 高野 那岐 蒜山 大山 道後 三瓶 冠 剣 大森 英彦 九重 由布 宮之浦 雲仙 国見 高千穂 与那覇 秩父 戦後DDHになった白根や鞍馬等、有名所がまだ結構な数ある。 実在「しらね」もついに入れてしまったし。 改利根型かG6あたり採用するならこの中から選ぶのだろうか。 どの道名前としては「しらね」「くらま」は最有力であろう。 ○艦載機 流石に水上機もバリエーションそこまで豊かかと聞かれればだいぶ怪しいところはあります。 零式水上偵察機、零式小型水上偵察機、零式水上観測機、紫雲、瑞雲、瑞雲12型、晴嵐。 そして二式水上戦闘機と、強風。 以上、となり、一応更新するごとに艦載機の仕様は変えられると思います。 TIERの中に偵察機が入っており、一応米本土爆撃経験がある小型偵察機もありますが、対艦ではないので除外するならこれかと。 一応爆装も可能です。 瑞雲12型は一応量産には入らなかったものの実在はしました。晴嵐の次ぐらいに入れてほしい所。 ただ、テスト中の利根が烈風っぽいものを搭載しているので、艦上機からも出せるのかもしれないが、テスト中なのに加え烈風の水上機仕様があるとも聞いたこと無いので実装する際どうなるのか。強風と紫電のような関係なのだろうか……? 現状テスト中の伊勢、利根ともに攻撃爆撃雷撃と三種搭載しているので、なんとかして三種を、調整するにしても二種は持たせたい所。 オランダ巡洋艦が航巡のような仕様らしいですが、それを持ってくるのもありかなと思う。 艦載機本命案 ○瑞雲 全長 10.84 m 全幅 12.80 m 全高 4.74 m 最高速度 448 km/h 航続距離 2,535 km 武装 20 mm機関砲×2 7.7 mm旋回機銃×1(初期型) 13 mm旋回機銃(量産型) 60 kg爆弾×2~3 または 250 kg爆弾×1 本ツリーでの急降下爆撃を提案する上での本命。 雲の名を関することから分かる偵察機にもなる爆撃機。 爆撃して索敵もしてある程度は制空戦闘も出来る機体として、一機種である程度やらせられるのではないだろうか。 一応完成だけはしている12型にどこまでやらせるか、で高TIER艦の評価が変わると思う。 加えて架空瑞雲で改二とかを名乗らせるのもありか。 搭載数でTier化も出来るだろう。 何より、近年の瑞雲人気は極めて高い。 このように、原寸大の「瑞雲」が再現され現代に蘇っている。 これは新造の瑞雲である。 一部で半ば宗教と言っても過言でない人気が、少なくも日本ではあるのは間違いない。 瑞雲の操作で急降下爆撃が出来れば、飛びつく層は確実にいるだろう。 ○蒼龍前身案等、全通甲板の航空巡洋艦を採用時の艦載機 彗星三三型 全長 10.24 m 全幅 11.50 m 全高 3.069 m 最高速度 574.1 km/h 航続距離 正規:1,852 km ~過荷:2,778 km 武装 機首7.7mm固定機銃2挺(携行弾数各400発) 後上方7.92mm旋回機銃1挺(75発弾倉×3) 胴体:500 – 800 kg爆弾1発 または250 kg爆弾2発 現在龍驤や更新前の翔鶴が搭載してる艦載機。 もともと伊勢からの発艦する候補の1つだったのもこれ。 下駄履きでないこともあり、速力などが違う。 Tier8~10の戦場に加賀が持ち込んでいることもあり、行けないこともないだろう。 流星 全長 11.49 m 全幅 14.40 m 全高 4.07 m 最高速度 567 km/h 航続距離 1,519 km(正規)~2,911 km(過荷) 武装 翼内20 mm機銃2挺 後上方13 mm旋回機銃1挺 胴体:500 – 800 kg爆弾1発、または250 kg爆弾2発 翼下:30 – 60 kg爆弾4発 翔鶴の爆撃機、雷撃も出来る。 すでに実装されているあの通りのでよろしいかと。 リチャージに時間がかかるだけで。 天雷 全長 11.50m 全幅 14.50m 全高 3.51m 最高速度 597km/h 航続距離 1,482km 武装 胴体 30mm機銃 2挺 主翼 20mm機銃 2挺 後席 30mm上方斜銃 2挺 爆装 不明 白龍の雷撃機、兼爆撃機。 これもそのままでry でもこれ局地戦闘機では…… それだったら景雲改や橘花を……噴式は駄目ですねはい。 以下、日本の水上機一覧 零式水上偵察機 全長 9.50m 全幅 11.00m 全高 4.00m 最高速度 370km/h 航続距離 1,070km 武装 九七式7.7mm機銃(機首2門) 九二式7.7mm機銃(後方旋回式1門) 60kg爆弾×2 零式水上観測機 全長 9.50m 全幅 11.00m 全高 4.00m 最高速度 370km/h 航続距離 1,070km 武装 九七式7.7mm機銃(機首2門) 九二式7.7mm機銃(後方旋回式1門) 60kg爆弾×2 紫雲 全長 11.588 m 全幅 14.00 m 全高 4.95 m 最高速度 468 km/h 航続距離 1,408 km 武装 九二式七粍七機銃 × 1 60 kg爆弾 × 2 用途案 1:本来の用途通り偵察 空母が開幕でやる索敵行動。特に攻撃すること無く敵を探して回りスポットして回る。 空母の制空機のようにスポットさせるのもありではないだろうか。 ただ敵機を撃ち落としに行かないだけで。 それしかさせない、もしくは出来ないことで生存性を引き上げる。 一応機銃も積んでるし、F6Fを零式水上観測機が撃墜した稀な例もないことはないので、水戦も少ないので戦闘機扱いでもいいかもしれない。 2:爆撃させる 一応、爆装は出来る。 が、ただでさえ少ない機数でやらせることなのだろうか…… とはいえ、爆撃出来るけど基本はスポットというような感じが無難になりそうな気はする。 やるにしても水平爆撃になるのではないだろうか。 3:弾着観測射撃 巡洋艦だと日米独が後半、英ソが割と早くから積んでる消耗品。 射程延伸で足りない門数や口径を補う目的だが、回数を多く設定する。 一番無難なのがこれかもしれない。 晴嵐 全長 10.64 m 全幅 12.26 m 全高 4.58 m 最大速度 474 km/h (フロート投棄時560km/h) 航続距離 1,540 km 武装 機関銃 13.0mm旋回機銃×1 800kg爆弾×1 または250kg爆弾×4 または45cm魚雷×1 日本で唯一雷撃が出来る水上機。今テストで利根が積んでる。 これを積んでる艦からようやく雷撃できる仕様でも良いと思うが、そこはどう調整するか。 4機発艦し魚雷8発を投下する。 これを乗せてしまうと差別化が出来ない。 二式水上戦闘機 全長 10.24 m 全幅 12.50 m 全高 4.305 m 最大速度 437 km/h 航続距離 1,150 km 武装 機関銃 九七式七粍七固定機銃 ×2(機首) 九九式一号二〇mm機銃 ×2(主翼) 60kg爆弾×2個 強風 全長 10.58 m 全幅 12.00 m 全高 4.750 m 最大速度 488.9 km/h 航続距離 1,060km 武装 九七式三型改二7.7mm機銃×2 九九式二号三型20mm機銃×2 30kg爆弾×2 水上戦闘機。HEロケット弾持たせるなり敵航空機から守るために持たせるなり色々できそうではあるが…… 利根が積んでる烈風をどう考えるかで更に幅は広がるが、できればこっちを出したい所。 ・特殊潜航艇 甲標的 長さ 23.9 m 幅 1.8 m 高さ 3 m 速力 浮上時: 23ノット (43 km/h) 潜航時: 19ノット (35 km/h) 航続距離 2ノット (3.7 km/h) で100海里 (190 km) 6ノット (11 km/h) で80海里 (150 km) 19ノット (35 km/h) で 18海里 (33 km) 潜航深度 30 m (試験深度) 兵装 45cm魚雷発射管 2門 (前装式) 140kg自爆装置 1基 この案のツリーを本当にやるにしても、これが搭載されることはないと思うが、一応考えるだけ考えてみる。 水上機母艦の方で、雷装がない分こちらでやる。場合によっては大淀にも。 潜水艦が実装された際に、空母艦載機と同じような仕様でこちらも操作すれば良いのではないかと思う。 が、大きいこともあり、撃沈されたら使えなくなる等の回数制限はあるべきではないかと思う。 一度これを出してから雷撃ということもあり、即応性で駆逐艦や巡洋艦に大きく劣るものの、岩陰などから甲標的を出して潜水艦と同じように雷撃……ということも出来るか。 いろいろ考えてみましたが何か意見とか無いでしょうか。 本家空母との違いは、戦闘機発艦による迎撃と修理が自動なのに対し、こちらは主砲による手動対艦戦闘と、敵航空機が着た際のオート戦闘機発艦がない点。 戦闘機は二種のみ。 航空雷撃できるのは晴嵐のみ、爆撃も偵察機のほうは急降下前提ではないという点をどうするのか、というあたりでしょうか。 イギリスみたいな水平爆撃でも良いと思いますが。 改めて色々変更を加えてみましたがどうでしょうか。 真面目に急降下爆撃機を搭載したハイブリットの航空巡洋艦ツリーはよろしいかと存じます。 正直筑摩以降が怪しいと言えばそうなのですが、そこはWGに頑張っていただく他は思いつかないので……
  2. Hi Wargameing Dev team, I would like to suggest a complete Pan-America destroyer line. However I came in 2 problems: 1. I cant find a suitable T1 for the Pan- America gunboat for the tech tree and need help on this. 2. Pan-America needs a unique gimmick or play style (Pan-Asia Deep-Water torpedo, British ambush and flee destroyer, German tanky destroyers, Russian suicide tactic, Commonwealth creep smoke). May it be armament, consumable, or their stats. However I was able to complete a destroyer line for Pan-America. I hope you like them. Here is what I have come up with when looking around the internet: Main Line DD T2 Alexandrino de Alenca / Maranhão (BR) Originally Porpoise "K-Class 1913" (UK) Armament: 3 × QF 4 in (102 mm) Mark IV guns (3 x 1) 1 × QF 2 pdr (40 mm) pom-pom Mk. II (1 x 1) 2 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedoes (2 x 1) T3 San Luis (AR) Originally Aetos (GR) Armament: 3 × QF 4 in (102 mm) Mark IV guns (4 x 1) 2 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 1) 4 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (4 x 1) 6 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedoes (2 x 3) T4 Almirante Villiar (PE) Originally Miklucho Maklai "Orfey Vlass" (RU) Armament: 4 × 4.0 in (102 mm)/60 Pattern 1911 guns (4 x 1) 1 × QF 2 pdr (40 mm) pom-pom Mk. II (1 x 1) 2 × 0.30 in (7.62 mm) Maxim machine guns (2 x 1) 9 × 18 in (450 mm) torpedo tubes (3 x 3) Note: Miklucho Maklai (RU) -> Vambola (EE) -> Almirante Villiar (PE) See "Pan-Europe Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion" or Almirante Guise (PE) Originally Avtroil "Izyaslav Class" (RU) Armament: 5 × 4.0 in (102 mm)/60 Pattern 1911 guns (5 x 1) 1 x 2.5 in (63.3 mm) Model 1916 (1 x 1) / 4 x 1.8 in (45 mm) 21-K (4 x 1) 2 × 0.30 in (7.62 mm) Maxim machine guns (2 x 1) 9 × 18 in (450 mm) torpedo tubes (3 x 3) Note: Avtroil (RU) -> Lennuk (EE) -> Almirante Guise (PE) See "Pan-Europe Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion" T5 Mendoza (AR) Based on "Scott Class" (UK) Armament: 5 × 4.7 in (120 mm) QF Mark IX guns (5 x 1) 1 × 3 in (76 mm) AA gun 2 × QF 2 pdr (40 mm) pom-pom Mk. II (2 x 1) ? Need more info 6 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3) or Cervantes (AR) Originally Alcala Galiano "Churruca Class" (ES) Armament: 5 × 4.7 in (120 mm)/45 guns (5 x 1) 1 × 3 in (76 mm) AA guns (1 x 1) 6 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3) From here I will split the line between 120 mm guns and 127 mm guns. 127 mm guns Branch T6 Amazonas (BR) Based on H-Class (UK) but armed with US 5 in (127 mm) / 38 guns Armament: 4 x 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (4 x 1) 2 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (1 x 2) ? Need more info 4 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (4 x 1) 8 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 4) T7 Mariz e Barros (BR) Based on Mahan Class (US) but only has 2 torpedo tube insted of 3 Note: I did not use Marcilio Diaz because she may be used as a T10 ship with the same name. Armament: 5 × 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (5 x 1) 4 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 2) 4 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (4 x 1) 8 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 4) T8 ???? T9 Blanco Encalada (CL) Originally USS Wadleigh "Fletcher Class" (US) or Cuitláhuac (MX) Originally USS John Rogers "Fletcher Class" (US) Armament: 5 × 5 inch (127 mm)/38 guns (5 x 1) 10 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (5 x 2) 7–12 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (7 x 1 or 6 x 2) 10 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 5) T10 Ministro Portales (CL) Originally USS Charles S. Sperry "Allan M Summer Class" (US) Armament: 6 × 5 in (130 mm)/38 guns (3 x 2) [4 sec reload] 12 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 4 and 2 x 2) 10 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (10 x 1) 10 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 5) or Quetzalcoatl (MX) Originally USS Vogelgesang "Gearing Class" (US) Armament: 6 × 5 in (130 mm)/38 guns (3 x 2) [3 sec reload] 12 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 4 and 2 x 2) 10 × × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (10 x 1) 10 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 5) 120mm guns branch T6 Antioquia (CO) Originally Douro "Douro Class" (PT) Armament: 4 - 4.7 in (120 mm)/45 guns (4 x 1) 2 - 2 pdr (40 mm) AA guns (2 x 1) 8 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 4) or Buenos Aires (AR) Based on G-Class or Gallant (UK) Armament: 4 × 4.7 in (120 mm) QF Mark IX guns (4 × 1) 8 × 0.50 in (12.7 mm) Vickers machine guns (2 x 4) 8 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 4) T7 Improved Buenos Aires (AR) Based on G-Class or Gallant with 5 guns (UK) Armament: 5 × 4.7 in (120 mm) QF Mark IX guns (5 × 1) 8 × 0.50 in (12.7 mm) Vickers machine guns (2 x 4) 8 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 4) T8 ???? T9 Garcia y Garcia (PE) Originally HNLMS Holland "Holland Class" (NL) Armament: 4 x 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns (2×2) 1 x 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA gun (1 x 1) More can be added "Anti Submarine Mortars" Note: No Torpedo or T9 Galvez (PE) Originally HNLMS Groningen "Friesland Class" (NL) Armament: 4 x 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns (2×2) 6 x 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA gun (6 x 1) More can be added "Anti Submarine Mortars" Note: No Torpedo T10 Siete de Agosto / Veinte de Julio (CO) Modified "Halland Class" (SE) Built for Colombian Navy Armament: 6 × 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns (3 × 2) 4 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA guns (4 × 1) 8 × 21.0 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 4) "Anti-Submarine Mortars" and T10 Palacios / Ferre Originally HMS Diana / HMS Decoy respectively "Daring Class" (UK) Armament: 6 x 4.5 in (113 mm)/45 guns (3 x 2) 8 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA guns (4 × 1 and 2 x 2) 4 × 21.0 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 5) All Armaments are only stock, WG can edit or custom them. Foot Note: (BR) = Brazil (CO) = Colombia (US) = USA (EE) = Estonia (AR) = Argentina (VE) = Venezuela (UK) = UK (ES) = Spain / Espania (CL) = Chile (EC) = Ecuador (RU) = Russia (SE) = Sweden (PE) = Peru (NL) = Netherlands (MX) = Mexico (GR) = Greece I hope that you like this suggestion. 🙂
  3. Hi Waregameing Dev Team, Would like to suggest to add Swedish Cruiser Gotland (with 6 guns, 4 turrets) at T5 or T6 and Tre Kronor and/or Gota Lejon at T6 or T7. Like Polish Destroyer Blyskawica, they may be premeiums and may or may not have unique playstyle. And fly the Swedish flag. Side Note: Gota Lejon was sold to Chile as Almirante Latorre, possible for future Pan-American cruiser premium. I noticed that these cruisers may resemble German T5 Konigsberg or T6 Nurnberg style. Maybe the game play may not be far from that but should be different enough to be unique.
  4. Hi Wargameing Dev team, While playing the UK destroyer line it got me thinking, the Commonwealth of Nations fought along side with the British during WW2 in both Atlantic and Pacific theater. And after looking around the internet, I found that it is possible to create a Commonwealth of Nations destroyer line like the Pan-Asia destroyer line. Commonwealth of Nations playstyle/gimmik is the "Creeping Smoke Generator" and the "Individual Torpedo Launch" (Haida and Perth), where as Pan-Asia is "Deep Water Torpedo". The playstyle almost mirrors British DD, smoke, harrass, torp, flee. Almost. But if wargameing has other ideas to make the playstyle unique, I welcome it. Here is what I have come up with when looking around the internet: CA/CL T1 Swan (AU) -> (Grimsby Class) Note: Its T1 DD Line T2 Champlain (CA) -> HMS Torbay (S Class, T Class) Close to HMS Medea T3 Vancouver (CA) -> HMS Vimy (V Class, W Class) Mirrors HMS Valkyrie T4 Waterhen (AU) -> HMS Waterhen (V Class, W Class) Mirrors HMS Wakeful T5 Saguenay (CA) -> (A Class, B Class) Mirrors HMS Acasta T6 Ottowa (CA) -> HMS Griffin (G Class, H Class) Mirrors HMS Galant T7 Quadrant (CA) or Rajput (IN) -> (Q Class, R Class) Note: Unique T7 T8 Jan van Riebeeck (ZA) -> (W Class, Z Class) Note: Unique T8 Note: Either armed with 120 mm or 113 mm or gun can be upgraded / switchable. T9 Anzac (AU) or Badr (PK) -> ("Battle" Class) Mirrors HMS Jutland T10 Voyager (AU) -> (Daring Class) Mirrors HMS Daring Note: HMAS Vampire already used in T3. Note: Like the Voyager satellite, maybe they can do a unique Camo after space battles. 🙂 Branch Tech Tree (One set torpedo launcher but early access to dual mount guns in T7 branch) Edited and added on Dec. 18, 2019 T6 Fraser (CA) -> (C Class) Close to HMS Galant Note: Originally has two set of torpedo tubes. One set was removed for additional 102 mm AA gun. T7 Athabaskan (CA) or Arunta (AU) -> ("Tribal" Class) Mirrors HMS Haida Note: 6 - 120 mm guns and one set of quadruple torpedo tubes. OR T7 Napier (AU) -> (J, K, and N Class) Mirrors HMS Jervis Note: Original N class has only one set of quintule torpedo tubes. T8 Crusader (CA) or Jahangir (PK) -> (Cr Class) Note: Unique T8 T9 Tobruk (AU) or Khaibar (PK) -> ("Battle" Class) Mirrors HMS Jutland Note: Originally built with two sets of torpedo tubes. One will be removed to follow trend. T10 Vendetta (AU) -> (Daring Class) Mirrors HMS Daring Note: Built with only one set of quintuple torpedo tube. T9 Anzac and T10 Voyager guns are too small to do some real damage. In my British Tech Tree Suggestion, I requested for T9 Jutland and T10 Daring be having the option to equip 133 mm (5.25 in guns), or split them as another class with 133 mm (5.25 in) guns installed as default. I would like to see T9 Anzac and T10 Voyager have the same treatment. Either have a 133 mm (5.25 in) guns be optional equipment or have a separate ship with 133 mm (5.25 in) guns as default. Possible premium ships. T6 Leander (NZ) -> HMS Leander (Leander Class) - CL Mirrors HMS Leander T6 Ontario or Quebec (CA) -> HMS Valiant (Queen Elizabeth Class) - BB Mirrors HMS Warspite Note: She was never built, but when Canada plans to build her, she would look line Queen Elizabeth in her 2nd refit in 1926 (with 1 smoke stack but retains the original bridge and secondary armaments of 6 in guns) Note: Although unconfirmed, Australia also plans to procure some Queen Elizabeth class battleships of their own. She would look line Queen Elizabeth in her 2nd refit in 1926 (with 1 smoke stack but retains the original bridge and secondary armaments of 6 in guns) Personal opinion: Due to the success of both Queen Elizabeth Class and Bayern Class, Pan America (Brazil, Argentina, Chile and possibly Peru) and Pan Europe (Spain and Netherlands) planned to procure their own battleships based on both British and German designs. It would be a common sight to see these ships in T6 plays with their own twists and gimmicks. Foot Note: CA = Canada AU = Australia NZ = New Zealand ZA = South Africa IN = India* PK = Pakistan* * = May possibly serve as Pan-Asian ships I hope that you like this suggestion and let me know if I have missed other DD that might mirror them in their respective tiers.
  5. CaptainZade_

    Sloowly Adjusting

    "This looks too good to be true" is what I'm thinking right now, I'm starting to think that I'm gonna have the same relationship in the Henri as I do in the Republique, a love/hate relationship. At least I finally have a relationship, and just as I thought I'd never have one 🅱️ruh
  6. Hi Wargameing Dev team, I would like to suggest a complete Pan-Europe Destroyer line. With the future release of the Friseland (mmmm..... fries......) and combining Blyskawica to Pan-Europe faction, World of Warships will now have 11 factions to choose from. 7 Nations and 4 Group of Nations. T1 Afonso de Albuquerque (PT) Armament: 4 - 120 mm guns (4 x 1) 2 - 76 mm guns (2 x 1) 4 - 40 mm AA guns (4 x 1) Note: T1 Sloop / Aviso. Considered as a T1 cruiser in the game. T2 Aetos (GR) Armament: 4 - 4 in (102 mm)/50 guns (4 x 1) 4 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (4 x 1) Note: Originally built for the Argentines but later sold to the Greeks T3 Alsedo (EE) Armament: 4 - 4 in (102 mm)/60 guns (4 x 1) 1 - 2 pdr (40 mm) pom-pom Mk. II (1 x 1) 2 - 0.30 in (7.62 mm) MG (2 x 1) 9 - 18 in (450 mm) torpedo tubes (3 x 3) Note: Originally Avtroil (Russian Orfey Class), Captured by Britain 1918, gave it to Estonia, then Sold to Peru 1933 as Almirante Villiar (See Pan America Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion) T4 Lennuk (EE) Armament: 5 - 4 in (102 mm)/60 guns (5 x 1) 1 - 2.5 in (63.3 mm) Model 1916 (1 x 1) 3 - 0.30 in (7.62 mm) MG (3 x 1) 9 - 18 in (457 mm) torpedo tubes (3 x 3) Note: Originally Miklucho Maklai (Russian Izyaslav Class), Captured by Britain 1918, gave it to Estonia, then Sold to Peru 1933 as Alimarnte Guise (See Pan America Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion) T5 Alcala Galiano (ES) Armament: 5 - 4.7 in (120 mm)/45 guns (5 x 1) 1 - 3 in (76 mm) AA guns (1 x 1) 6 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3) Note: Also a possible T5 Pan America Destroyer (Juan de Garay [AR]) See Pan America Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion or T5 Douro (PT) Armament: 4 - 4.7 in (119 mm)/45 guns (4 x 1) 2 - 2 pdr (40 mm) AA guns (2 x 1) 8 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 4) Note: Also a possible T5 Pan America Destroyer (Antioquia [CO]) See Pan America Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion T6 Regele Ferdinand (RO) Armament: 5 - 4.7 in (120 mm)/50 guns (5 x 1) 1 - 3 in (76 mm) AA guns (1 x 1) 2 - 1.6 in (40 mm) AA guns (2 x 1) 6 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (3 x 3) Note: None T7 Grom (PL) Armament: 7 - 4.7 in (120 mm)/50 guns (3 × 2, 1 × 1) 4 - 1.6 in (40 mm) AA guns (2 × 2) 8 - 0.52 in (13.2 mm) MG (4 × 2) 6 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 3) Note: Blyskawica sister and Lead of her Class Note: Same guns found in Regele Ferdinand. 4.7 in (120 mm)/50 made by Bofors From T8 to T10, Netherlands and Sweden were capable of building ships after WW2. Spain went to civil war and is in financial ruin but still managed to build their own ship with US 5 in (127 mm) as optional armament as well as US sold Spain some of their Fletcher, A.M. Summer, and Gearing Class surplus. Greece dont have the finance to build their own ships, hence bought American surplus Fletchers, A.M. Summers, and Gearings. Portugal did not re-arm their navy after WW2. Estonia was absorbed by the Soviet Union. Poland and Roamnia is under the Soviet block, hance ships are protected by Soviet Union Navy Ships or transferred Soviet surplus. Sweden Branch (With Torpedo) T8 Oland (SE) Armament: 4 - 4.7 in (120 mm)/45 cal Bofors M/44 (2 x 2) 7 - 1.6 in (40 mm)/56 cal Bofors M/36 (2 x 2 and 3 x 1) 8 - 0.79 in (20 mm)/60 cal Bofors M/40 (2 x 4) 6 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tube (3 x 2) Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. T9 Halland (SE) Armament: 4 - 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns m/50 (2 × 2) 2 - 2.2 in (57 mm) Bofors guns m/50 (1 × 2) 6 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA guns m/48 (6 × 1) 8 - 21.0 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (1 × 5 and 1 × 3) "Anti Submarine Mortar" Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. T10 Hälsingland (SE) Armament: 4 - 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns m/44 (2×2) 7 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA guns m/48 (7×1) 6 - 21.0 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (1 x 6) "Anti Submarine Mortar" Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. Netherlands Branch (Without Torpedo) T8 Gerard Callenburgh Armament: 5 - 4.7 in (120 mm) guns (2 × 2 and 1 × 1) 4 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 2) 4 - 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (2 x 2) Note: Originally armed with torpedoes, would be wise to remove them as to teach players on their support role and AA specialty like the Friseland. Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. T9 Holland (NL) Armament: 4 - 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns (2×2) 1 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA gun (1 x 1) More can be added "Anti Submarine Mortars" Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. T10 Groningen (NL) Armament: 4 - 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns (2 × 2) 6 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA guns (6 × 1) "Anti Submarine Mortars" Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. Note: Friseland Sister ship Spain Branch (No Torpedo at T9 and T10) T8 Audaz (ES) Armament: (Original) 5 - 4.1 in (105 mm)/45 DP guns (5 x 1) Too small for T8 Armament: (WG Modified) Initial: 5 - 4.7 in (120mm)/50 guns (5 x 1) Upgradeable to: 5 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (5 x 1) US Fletcher Surplus 4 - 1.5 in (37 mm) AA guns (4 x 1) 8 - 0.79 in(20 mm) AA guns (4 x 2) 6 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (3 x 2) Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. Note: Torpedo tubes were removed in later years. T9 Oquendo (ES) Armament: (Hull A) Initial: 4 - 4.7 in (120mm)/50 guns (2 x 2) Upgradeable to: 4 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (2 x 2) US Gearing Surplus 6 - 1.6 in (40mm)/Bofors 40 guns (3 x 2) Armament: (Hull B) Initial: 6 - 4.7 in (120mm)/50 guns (2 x 2) Upgradeable to: 6 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (2 x 2) 6 - 1.6 in (40mm)/Bofors 40 guns (3 x 2) Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. Note: Spanish built destroyer. Completed 1963. Note: Torpedo tubes were removed in later years. T10 Roger de Lauria (ES) Armament: Initial: 6 - 4.7 in (120mm)/50 guns (2 x 2) Upgradeable to: 6 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (2 x 2) US Gearing Surplus 6 - 1.6 in (40mm)/Bofors 40 guns (3 x 2) Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. Note: Spanish built destroyer. Completed 1969. Note: She is an improved and enlarged version of Oquendo Note: Torpedo tubes were removed in later years. US Surplus branch aquired by Spain and Greece T8 Niki (GR) Originally USS Eberle "Gleaves Class (US)" Armament: 4 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 DP guns (4 x 1) 4 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 × 2) 7 - 0.97 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (7 x 1) 5 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (1 × 5) T9 Lepanto (ES) Originally USS Capps "Fletcher Class (US)" or T9 Thyella (GR) Originally USS Bradford "Fletcher Class (US)" Armament: 5 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (5 x 1) 10 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (5 x 2) 7 to 12 - 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (7 x 1 or 6 x 2) 10 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 5) T10 Miaoulis (GR) Originallt USS Ingraham "Allan M Summer Class" (US) Armament: 6 - 5 in (130 mm)/38 guns (3 x 2) [4 sec reload] 12 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 4 and 2 x 2) 10 - 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (10 x 1) 10 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 5) or T10 Langara (ES) Originally USS Leary "Gearing Class (US)" Armament: 6 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (3 x 2) [3 sec reload] 12 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 4 and 2 x 2) 10 - 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (10 x 1) 10 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 5) Eastern Bloc / Destroyer Leader Branch T4 Mărăști or Mărășești (RO) Armament: (Modernized 1927) 4 - 4.7 in (120 mm) guns (2 × 2) 3 - 3.0 in (76 mm) AA guns (3 x 1) or (Hull C) 5 - 4.7 in (120 mm) guns (2 × 2 and 1 x 1) 2 - 3.0 in (76 mm) AA guns (2 x 1) 4 - 17.7 in (457 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 2) Note: Earliest access to twin mounted guns Note: T4 because of the small size and small number of torpedo tubes Note: T4 because her hull is old. Built from 1914 - 1918. Note: T4 since French destroyer leader Bourrasque class is also at T4 with 130 mm guns T5 Zagreb (YU) Armament: 4 - 4.7 in (120 mm) guns (4 × 1) 4 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 × 2) 2 - 0.59 in (15 mm) Skoda MG (2 x 1) 6 - 22 in (550 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 3) Note: Sister ship Beograd was transferred to Germany (German Hydro?) Note: Sister ship Ljubljana was transferred to Italy (Italian SAP?) or T5 Burza (PL) Armament: 4 - 5.1 in (130 mm)/40 guns (4 × 1) 2 - 1.6 in (40 mm) AA guns (2 × 1) 6 - 550 mm/533 mm/450 mm torpedo tubes (2 × 3) Note: Grom 1928 sister. Note: Modified versions of the Bourrasque-class destroyers built for the Polish Navy. T6 Dubrovnik (YU) Armament: 4 - 5.5 in (140 mm)/56 guns (4 x 1) 2 - 3.29 in (83.5 mm) AA guns (2 x 1) 6 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (3 x 2) 2 - 0.59 in (15 mm) Skoda MG (2 x 1) 6 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3) Note: Large destroyer built by UK for Yugoslav Navy T7 Split 1940 (YU) Armament: 5 - 5.5 in (140 mm)/56 guns (4 x 1) 5 - 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (3 x 2) 4 - 0.59 in (15 mm) Skoda MG (2 x 1) 6 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3) Note: Large destroyer built by Yugoslavia. Note: Comissioned in 1958 with a completly different design. We will go with the original 1939 design for this. T8 Georgi Dimitrov (BG) Armament: 4 - 5.1 in (130 mm)/50 or /55 guns (2 x 2) 2 - 3.3 in (85 mm)/55 AA guns (2 x 1) 6 - 1.5 in (37 mm) AA guns (6 x 1) 6 to 10 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3 possible upgrade to 2 x 5 like Ognevoy) Note: Project 30-K Ognevoy class, Ozornoy, transferred to Bulgaria in 1950 Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. T9 Wicher (PL) Armament: 4 - 5.1 in (130 mm)/50 or /55 guns (2 x 2) 2 - 3.3 in (85 mm)/55 AA guns (2 x 1) 7 - 1.5 in (37 mm) AA guns (7 x 1) 10 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 5) Note: Project 30-bis Skorry class, Skoryy, transferred to Poland in 1958 Note: Original ORP Wicher 1928 was sunk during WW2. Her sister ORP Burza survived the war and was decomissioned in 1960. Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. T10 Warszawa (PL) Armament: 4 - 5.1 in (130 mm)/58 guns (2 × 2) 16 - 1.8 in (45 mm) AA guns (4 × 4) 10 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 5) Note: Project 56 Kotlin class, Spravedlivyy, transferred to Poland in 1970 Note: 5.1 in (130 mm)/ 58 guns are the same guns found in Neustrashimy and Grozovoi Note: Due to their support nature, Pan Europe T8 to T10 ships will have fewer guns but have insane rate of fire. Faster than Gearing class. I know some of the suggested ships may not make it as WG will put other ships that were not available in the books or internet, but I am sure they are working on to complete the Pan-Europe tech tree. Nation Legend: PL = Poland PT = Portugal ES = Spain / Espania NL = Netherlands GR = Greece RO = Romania EE = Estonia SE = Sweden AT = Austria (Austro-Hungary) YU = Yugoslavia BG = Bulgaria
  7. I think this inquiry is best addressed to developer team. However, feel free to answer and comment. Why WG should make 2 Tier 9 premium cruisers instead to make one to Tier 10? USN have T9 Alaska and T10 Puerto Rico IJN have T9 Azuma and T10 Yoshino Why KMS should have 2 T9s based on the same hull?
  8. Teaser on the new Swedish Pan-EU destroyers makes me thinking on possible premium cruisers. Hence, i make this topic as a stress relief after PR disaster. Here is my suggestion for the Pan-EU premium cruisers Canarias , T-VI? A Spanish heavy cruiser based on the British County-class, Canarias was the flagship of the Nationalist side during the civil war. She was armed with the same 203mm gun, but exchanged torpedo bulge for better internal protection and 33 knot speed. Moreover, she has more torpedo tubes compared to her half-sister. Gameplay should be relatively similar to Devonshire. HSwMS Tre Kronor , T-VIII? A 7,500 ton light cruiser of the Swedish Navy, Tre Kronor is one of the last modern cruisers ever completed. She was lightly armored with 70mm belt, but has respectable speed of 33 knots and decent AA. The key is her main battery of Bofors 152mm/53 gun (a triple forward and two doubles aft), capable of firing a shell 15 rounds per minute at 900m/s. She also has reasonably modern sensors and radars from the British. In terms of gameplay, i think she would be very similar to Chapayev, kiter and radar support (with lesser range). HNLMS De Ruyter (Endracht-class), T-IX or X? De Ruyter is one of De Zeven Provincien-class cruisers built for the Royal Netherlands Navy. She weighted around 14,000 ton, yet has barely any armor of which her belt was only 76mm thick at best. Speed is modest at 32 knots, but being more modern than Tre Kronor, she has many modern sensors and of course, DAKKA! She has the same Bofors guns, but were enhanced and has higher fire rate, completed by an extensive AA battery. This thing, is Friesland on cracks and citadels. What do you guys think?
  9. I bet this topic is debatable, but I want know the true source of this made-up german cruiser, Tier IX Roon. Apparently, the russian community suggests that this ships is based on the P-class panzerschiffe(http://goo.gl/1IT7hT), while there are only few references of P-class to this ship. First of all, as I mentioned, P-Class was a "panzerschiffe" which are armed with at least 11" as main armament. Plus, the overall design of Roon is similar to light cruiser Nurnberg rather than P-class. The layout of main armaments(one turret at bow, two turrets at stern), shape of superstructure and funnel is pretty much identical to Nurnberg. And the developers put some reference of other WW2 ships, including P-class, to this fictional ship. They took the 8" as main armaments from Admiral Hipper and upgraded them from twin to triple, took the side secondary armaments from Deutschland, and took the idea from P-class that placing twin 5.9" turret right behind the front main armament. Overall, this ship is a heavy cruiser version of Nurnberg with adding references from various german cruisers. Currently, there's no clear explanation about it in the game client. If the developers made a fictional ship based on the projected ship, I suggest to put some explanations about it in the game. What's your opinion about this one? Is Roon based on P-class panzerschiffe, or other ship? If there's a official statement from Wargaming about this topic, it will be appreciated. P.S.: Tier X is obviously based on Admiral Hipper class. There's no doubt about it.
  10. S0und_Theif

    German Tech Tree Suggestion

    Hi WG Dev team, Good day to you all, I would like to propose branch lines for the German tech tree. Please have a look and consider this suggestion. BB will have 2 branch, the battleship and battlecruiser branch CA/CL will have 3 branch, light cruiser, heavy cruiser, and pocket battleship The pocket battleship branch will merge together with the battlecruiser branch at T9. This is due to limited information on Germany's Plan Z, and since Gneisenau's main armament was upgraded to DD will have 2 branch, the 128 mm (5 in) branch and the 150 mm (5.9 in) branch. At T8, Z 23 had the option to mount wither 128 mm (5 in) or 150 mm (5.9 in), but looses the 150 mm (5.9 in) at T9, the Z46. The branch line will allow the player to play the 150 mm (5.9 in) at T9 and T10. Like the Italian T9 and T10, Germany also labeled them as cruisers "Spahkreuzer / SP" but they are comparable to France's Mogador class Large Destroyer, hence they can still be counted as destroyers "Zerstorer / Z" Today I'll start in the reverse order. I'll start from the destroyer aka "loliboats" Original DD line is untouched and will only explain the branch line or the "150 mm (5.9 in) branch" T9 SP1 / Z40 Note: Basically a Z46 armed with 6 - 150 mm (5.9 in)/ 48 guns (3 x 2). Arrangement of 1 forward, 2 aft turret. Note: Due to her size, she is also mounted with 10 - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 5) Note: Germany intended to hide her "cruiser" size by naming her Z40, only later to be named SP1. T10 SP? / Z ?? Note: Basically a Z52 armed with 6 - 150 mm (5.9 in)/ 48 guns (3 x 2). Arrangement of 2 forward, 1 aft turret. Note: Due to her size, she is also mounted with 10 - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 5) Note: Like in the previous tier, Germany intended to hide her "cruiser" size by naming her Z??, only later to be named SP?. Note: Due to her design, she can counter the French Mogador, French Le Fantastique, Italian Etna, Italian Attilio Regolo " Capitani Romani", and the Russian Khabarovsk. Next is Cruisers. Will update in the following days.
  11. S0und_Theif

    British Tech Tree Suggestion

    Hi WG Dev team, Good day to you all, I would like to propose branch lines for the British tech tree. Please have a look and consider this suggestion. BB will have 3 or 4 branch (depend if WG will implement G3 battlecruisers) Branch 1 -> Main Branch (Already in the game) Branch 2 -> Battlecruiser Branch 3 -> Forward Facing BB Branch 4 -> Forward Facing CC DD will have 2 branch. The Main line and the "Intended Armament" branch CA/CL will have 3 branch. CL branch -> Already implemented CA branch -> Questionable to implement due to her main armament is of heavy cruiser, but her armor is light cruiser. You could citadel them with no problem. Though armament can be compensated to fire every 10 sec. AP rounds only? CLAA branch -> Britain's answer to Atlanta, but less 3 turrets or 6 guns. Today I'll start in the reverse order. I'll start from the destroyer aka "loliboats" Original DD line is untouched and will only explain the branch line or the "intended armament branch" T9 Jutland (133 mm / 5.25 in ) Note: She is Jutland "Battle Class" in all aspect, except, instead of the puny 113 mm (4.5 in), she will be armed with 133 mm (5.25 in), which was the original armament for this ship. But due to shortage of the weapon, the British opt for the 113 mm (4.5 in). T10 Daring (133 mm / 5.25 in) Note: She is Daring "Daring Class" in all aspect, except, instead of the puny 113 mm (4.5 in), she will be armed with 133 mm (5.25 in), which was the original armament for this ship. But due to shortage of the weapon, the British opt for the 113 mm (4.5 in). Additional note to WG: The 113 mm (4.5 in) is now the worse performing guns in terms of penetration. Even with Inertia fuse armed, most ships cannot be penetrated. Would request to update the penetration value of the 113 mm. The current value makes the guns useless and only tickles enemy ships. Thanks Some british destoyers were given to their commonwealth allies. See Commonwealth of Nations Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion for more details. Next is Cruisers. Will update in the following days.
  12. Last time, Fletchers, this time, Cruisers I think WG have stopped (at least temporarily) the super cruiser train? Because there is actually one pretty well-known of the so-called "super cruiser" designs left. It's the German-designed Project 1047 for the Royal Netherlands Navy. I don't think WG have run out of ships to put in the game (the Italian Navy has yet to have a line even), but yeah, standard cruisers (cruisers that aren't carrying absurdly large guns or having absurdly large hulls) are my preference right now, even when I actually own Alaska. Lützow HISTORICAL plan for 2 Hipper-class light cruisers (her and Seydlitz). Take a look at my German CL line proposal here: https://forum.worldofwarships.asia/topic/34974-german-light-cruiser-line-speculationproposal/ Simply put, a Hipper-class but with 4 of Nürnberg's guns. A so-lit T9 candidate, considering the following facts: 1. 50% more guns than Hipper (12 vs 8). 2. As much as HALF the reload (6s vs 11s). 3. Hull B Hipper having as much HP as some T10 standard cruisers: more HP than Zao and Minotaur, almost as much as Worcester. 4. Impressive gun range, either using range from Nürnberg or Hipper. With a Repair Party, she would be a new trigger-happy flamethrower that will eventually go obsolete as many other ships in the German tech tree. Maya 1943 REFITTED Takao-class with all the AA guns the IJN could afford. (you know that is a joke, right? Right?) T8 candidate, armed to shoot down planes. Having as many as 100% MORE AA guns than her sisters, Maya 1943 would be another interesting ship in this War on you-know-what. The only obvious "drawback" is that she has 1 less turret than her sister. It's the nearly useless 'C' turret that is in the forward battery but points backward. My take on the consumables: Simply no Hydro. Otherwise she's the same as Atago and ARP Takao. "Old" Buffalo TIER TEN version back in 2016, viewable through Extended tech tree mod. For those who don't know, this version of Buffalo is about the same as the current T9 Buffalo, but with the following differences as I could recall: 1. Main gun reload is 10s. 2. Carrying 2 sets of torpedo tubes on either side of the ship near the aft. Each set has 4 tubes. The torpedoes are the 9.2 km on Benson and Fletcher. To be very honest, this ship is somewhat of a missed opportunity. Playing "the odd one out" in the current US CA line you will see the funny part. The line can be Pensacola - New Orleans - Wichita - Baltimore - Des Moines. In the current line we have Buffalo preceding a ship that has very, very different armament. Would people buy this ship as a T9 premium because she's a high-tier US cruiser with torpedoes? A high-tier US cruiser with torpedoes. A high-tier US cruiser with torpedoes! OTHER CRUISERS OF NOTE (all real): Blücher SANK by a torpedo from a naval fort in Norway. T9 candidate. Same as Hipper, with the following changes: 1. Torpedo damage reduction to 25% (from 10%). 2. Torpedoes are the 10 km ones on Z-23/Z-46. 3. A standard Repair Party, like any other T9/10 cruisers. I add this ship in for my own amusement. Fargo-class SLIGHTLY improved Cleveland-class. Generally T8, possible T9 with the following gimmicks changes: 1. Infinite DAAF (like Flint). 2. Consumable Slot 5: US DD Smoke or Salem's Repair Party. Ceylon-group, Crown Colony-class THREE-TURRETTED Fiji. Even with one turret less, easily be T7 if HE and AP shells are cruiser's standard. Same specifications and consumables as Fiji. Also, click >>>HERE<<< to see another class of (more or less) similar design. Tiger-class 1959 THE LAST all-gun cruiser of the Royal Navy. Imagine a Minotaur with 2 turrets and much less HP (about the same as Edinburgh and Belfast). Yeah. That's it. Doesn't even have torpedoes. Pretty good T7 with that rate of fire. LUL. Dido-class DISCOUNT Atlantas of the Royal Navy. These ships use secondary guns from BBs as their primary armament. The ones from KGV and Vanguard. Dido-group carries 5 twin turrets, Bellona-group carries 4. Either way, these ships aren't reaching T7 without (at least) a rate of fire buff. 6.7s reload with less guns is no way comparable to Atlanta/Flint, and Atlanta has more HP! I like the names of the ships in this class though. Tone-class ALL-GUN forward (?) aviation cruiser. Still stuck in Development Davy Jones' locker I guess. Oregon City-class SLIGHTLY improved Baltimore-class. What this class is to Baltimore-class is the same as what Fargo-class is to the Clevelands. See also: Northampton-class which stands betwixt Portland-class (Indianapolis) and New Orleans-class. Juneau-class SLIGHTLY different Atlanta-class. You could always call this class a subclass of Atlanta-class. Or of Oakland-class, which itself is a subclass of Atlanta-class. Meta. Atlanta: 8x2 turrets, 2x4 torp tubes. Oakland: 6x2 turrets, 2x4 torp tubes. Juneau: 6x2 turrets. Other cruisers I MUST mention: - Japanese Ooyodo (T5). - Premium sister of Mogami 155 please... - French Duquesne and Suffren-classes (T6). - Italian Bolzano (T7) as premium, Trento-class can be in the tech tree. - Many Commonwealth, Pan-American, Pan-Asian and Pan-European cruisers with unique designs I am not familiar with to talk about.
  13. For tiering up and you just want to keep 1 tier 1 ship, which cruiser would you keep?
  14. Hi WG Dev team, Good day to you all, I would like to propose the Italian tech tree. Although my research is incomplete, I would like to ask for everyone's help in filling in the missing ships. WG team also can have input if they have books or historic plans of the Italian Navy. Missing links: T3 BB T10 BB (Although the T10 BB has names, their configuration is very much theoretical. Usually, what France build, Italy answers and vice versa. Pretty much like what UK builds, Germany answers and vice versa.) T4 CL/CA T8 - T10 CA (Though a pretty much possible T8 and T9 CA will have 10 - 203 mm guns in {3 x 2} and {2 x 2} config, while T10 CA will either have 12 - 203 mm guns or 9 to 10 larger than 203 mm guns if any data exists) I kinda understand why WG have difficulty in implementing the Italian tech tree. I'm not sure but they may be facing the same challenges on getting info in Italian ships. Especially on T8 to T10. WG wants it to be as historically accurate as possible. Which I really appreciate and thank them for their hard work. Although my suggestion may not be read or noticed, I hope this suggestion may help them a bit on the research. Please have a look and consider this suggestion. The Italians have main armaments that has fast velocity and heavy shells. Fast velocity shells = overpens in close range??? Heavy shells = limited range??? Italian consumable gimmick = ? (I'm sure WG is working on this, but anyone can suggest a gimmick. Maybe from the space battle or haloween?) BB main line -> This branch is the main battleship line plays almost like US and Russian BB but has that Italian feel / gimmick BB branch line ->This branch line is some what of an odd ball. It looks, fells, and smells like a Battlecruiser but it doesn't. Small decrease in gun calibre/caliber, and small increase in speed while armor stays the same, while playing as an Italian, these ships feels like you have played them before in France, Germany, USA, UK, and Soviet Tech tree. DD line -> Italian DD line. Destroyer Note: Falco shares her class with Romania. Look into Romanian Destroyer Marasti Class and Regele Ferdinand Class Quick detail 1939 config -> 5 x 1 120 mm, 1941 config -> 2 x 2 120 mm Destroyer Note: Like WOT, the P43 was a heavy tank on paper but it is really a medium tank in real life practice and in the WOT game. Same thing will apply to T9 Etna and T10 Attilio Regolo "Capitani Romani Class". Destroyer Note: According to Wikipedia, T9 Etna and T10 Attilio Regolo "Capitani Romani Class" are consdered as crisers. But their design is more of a "Flotilla Leader", hence a "Large Destroyer" like France's Mogador of T10 and Russia's Khabarovsk of T10 are counter these ships. CL line -> Light cruiser line (T4 no Data) CA line -> Heavy cruiser line (T8-T10 no Data) Cruiser note: Since there is no known light cruiser design after Duca degli Abruzzi / Giuseppe Garibaldi, it is uncertain if there will be a T8 light cruiser line. If -> Theoretical T8 light cruiser exist with 12 guns Light cruiser line stops at T8 and the next re searchable tier will be T8 heavy cruiser, thus ending the light cruiser tech tree. Else If -> Theoretical T9 light cruiser design possible Light cruiser line continues till T10. Else -> Light cruiser line stops at T7 and the next re searchable tier will be T8 heavy cruiser, thus ending the light cruiser tech tree. Cruiser note: French and Italian tech tree will have this similarities. What France makes, Italy responds and vise versa. Battleship T3 ???? Armament: 12 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (4 x 2 , 4 x 1) ?? x 120 mm (4.7 in) guns Note: Battleship designed by Vittorio Cuniberti Personal Opinion: I can only think of 3 designs for this tier (they are not historical and it is only my personal idea or opinion): Design 1: 12 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (6 x 2) - Regina Elena class design. Main armament and secondary armament is armed with dual 305 mm guns (1 Bow, 1 Aft, 2 Port, 2 Starbord). She can fire only 4 turrets per broadside. She will feel like Turenne (French T3 BB) Design 2: 8 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (4 x 2) - Dante Alighieri design but guns are in dual mount in four turrets instead of triple mount. This will make Dante Alighieri feel skinnier due to less number of guns, but give you an idea how Dante Alighieri should be played. Design 3: 9 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (3 x 3) - Dante Alighieri design but guns are in triple mount but in three turrets instead of four. This will make Dante Alighieri feel short and plays like Normandie (French T6 BB). T4 Dante Alighieri Armament: 12 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (4 x 3) 20 x 120 mm (4.7 in) guns (12 x 1 and 4 x 2) 14 × 76.2 mm (3 in) guns (14 x 1) Note: If you are familiar with Soviet BB Gangut or Okt. Revolutsiya, she will play the same as those Soviet BB. T5 Leonardo da Vinci Armament (As built): 13 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (3 x 3 and 2 x 2) 18 × 120 mm (4.7 in) guns (18 x 1) 14 × 76.2 mm (3 in) guns (14 x 1) Armament (Modernized) (Optional) (Hull C): 10 x 320 mm (12.6 in) guns (3 x 2 and 2 x 2) 12 × 120 mm (4.7 in) (6 x 2) 8 × 100 mm (3.9 in)/47 AA guns (4 x 2) Note: She is the 3rd sister of Conte di Cavour and Giulio Cesare. Note: Leonardo da Vinci was sunk while her 2 other sister survived WW1 and got modenized. Option: Hull C, should Leonardo da Vinci survived WW1, she whould get the same upgrade as Conte di Cavour and Giulio Cesare or better. T6 Francesco Caracciolo Armament: 8 × 381 mm (15 in)/ 40 guns (4 x 2) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (12 x 1) 12 × 102 mm (4 in) guns (6 x 2) Note: She is direct counter to QE2 and Bayern Main Branch T7 Michaelangelo or Raffaello Armament: 8 × 381 mm (15 in) /40 or 50 guns (4 x 2) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) /55 guns (4 x 3) 12 × 90 mm (3.5 in) /50 AA guns (12 x 1) 20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) /54 AA guns (10 x 2) 32 × 20 mm (0.79) Breda MG (16 x 2) Note: Preliminary design for Vittorio Veneto class. 8 guns in 4 turrets T8 Vittorio Veneto Armament: 9 × 381 mm (15 in) /50 guns (3 x 3) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) /55 guns (4 x 3) 12 × 90 mm (3.5 in) /50 AA guns (12 x 1) 20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) /54 AA guns (10 x 2) 32 × 20 mm (0.79) Breda MG (16 x 2) Note: Italy's answer to Richelieu Class. Plays like N. Carolina and Monarch. Note: Battle of Vittorio Veneto (WW1) T9 Caporetto (UP.41) Armament: 9 × 406 mm (16 in) guns (3 x 3) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2) 12 × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns (6 x 2) 20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns (10 x 2) Note: UP.41 design. Looks, fells, and smells almost like Sovetsky Soyuz class (Russian T9 BB) Note: Battle of Caporetto (WW1) T10 Repubblica Armament (Design 1 - 4 Turret): 10 / 12 × 406 mm (16 in) guns or 431 mm (17 in) guns (2 x 3 and 2 x 2 / 4 x 3) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2) ?? × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns Armament (Design 2 - 4 Turret) Andrea Doria type: 8 × 451 mm (17.5 in) guns or 8 x 457 mm (18 in) guns (4 x 2) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2) ?? × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns Note: Direct counter to French T10 Republique / Libertie Note: It is unknown if Italy has made plans for a larger calibre/caliber guns no larger than 457 mm (18 in) in this . The largest guns goes to Japan's monstrosity Yamato Note: Since there is no concrete design after and beyond UP.41, I just speculate that Italy may have thought of a design beyond UP.41 but did not came to light as they fell first after WW2 and faced financial hardship. Personal Opinion: I can only think of 3 designs for this tier (they are not historical and it is only my personal idea or opinion): Design 1: She could have 4 turret slots, but armed with 406 mm in 4 triple mount or ???mm in 4 double mount Design 2: She could have 4 turret slots, but armed with 406 mm in 2 triple mount and in 2 double or ???mm in 4 double mount Side Branch T6 Sicilia Armament: 8 x 343 mm (13.5 in)/ 50 guns (4 x 2) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) /55 guns (4 x 3) 10 × 90 mm (3.5 in) /50 AA guns (10 x 1) 20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) /54 AA guns (10 x 2) 32 × 20 mm (0.79) Breda MG (16 x 2) Note: Preliminary design for Francesco Caracciolo. T7 Andrea Doria or Caio Duilio Armament (Modernized 1937): 10 x 320 mm (12.6 in) guns (3 x 2 and 2 x 2) 12 × 135 mm (5.3 in) guns (4 x 3) 10 × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns (10 x 1) 16 x 37 mm (1.5 in) Breda AA guns (8 x 2) 16 x 20 mm (0.79 in) Breda AA guns (8 x 2) Note: I am very sure one of them will be a premium like Dunkerque and Strasbourg or Scharnhorst and Gneisenau. Note: She will be familiar as plays like Lyon and KGV. Small calibre/caliber for her tier but has many guns. T8 Filippo Lippi Armament: 6 × 381 mm (15 in) /40 or 50 guns (3 x 2) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) /55 guns (4 x 3) 10 × 90 mm (3.5 in) /50 AA guns (10 x 1) 20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) /54 AA guns (10 x 2) 32 × 20 mm (0.79) Breda MG (16 x 2) Note: Original preliminary design for Vittorio Veneto. 35,000 ton treaty limit. Note: She will be familiar as plays like Gneisenau. (Which will be moved to T8 because of the battle cruiser suggestion I will make in the future) Side Note: Yes, there is really an Italian painter called Filippo LippiIts and not to be confused with the band "Fra Lippo Lippi" which is Norwegian. Stitches and Burns. T9 Isonzo (UP.41) Armament: 9 × 381 mm (15 in) guns (3 x 3) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2) 12 × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns (6 x 2) 20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns (10 x 2) Note: UP.41 design. Looks, fells, and smells almost like Sovetsky Soyuz class (Russian T9 BB) but armed with 381 mm Note: Battle of Isonzo (WW1) Note: She will be familiar as plays like Iowa or Sovetsky Soyuz with a twist. T10 Impero Armament (Design 1 - 4 Turret): 10 / 12 × 381 mm (15 in) guns (2 x 3 and 2 x 2 / 4 x 3) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2) ?? × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns Armament (Design 2 - 3 Turret): 9 × 406 mm (15 in) guns (3 x 3) 12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2) ?? × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns Note: She will be familiar as plays like Montana, Conqueror or Iowa , Lion with a twist. Note: It is unknown if Italy has made plans for a larger calibre/caliber guns no larger than 406 mm (16 in) in this branch. The largest guns goes to Japan's monstrosity Yamato Note: Since there is no concrete design after and beyond UP.41, I just speculate that Italy may have thought of a design beyond UP.41 but did not came to light as they fell first after WW2 and faced financial hardship. Personal Opinion: I can only think of 3 designs for this tier (they are not historical and it is only my personal idea or opinion): Design 1: She could have 4 turret slots, but armed with 381 mm in 4 triple mount or ???mm in 4 double mount Design 2: She could have 4 turret slots, but armed with 381 mm in 2 triple mount and in 2 double or ???mm in 4 double mount Next is Cruisers Full details in the following days.
  15. S0und_Theif

    French Tech Tree Suggestion

    Hi WG Dev team, Good day to you all, I would like to propose branch lines for the French tech tree. Please have a look and consider this suggestion. The Frenchy way Consumables: artillery WD40, and NOS BB main line -> The french way, all guns forward (The french makes things different. Think different) BB branch line -> The traditional way with maximum alpha and a bit of french touch (Quad turret) BB Note: Gascogne is not the premium Gascogne, but rather her armament configuration of 1 front 1 rear turret. I currently do not have a name for her. DD torpedo boat line -> Your usual torpedo loli-boats with 550 mm french baguette. Usually armed with 130 mm. Smaller than her other branch. Small size means better concealment compared to her "large" branch. DD "large" boat line -> A implied they are "large" compared to other loli-boats. Usually armed with 139 mm and really fast for her size. (If you have Aigle, she is good practice boat for this line) Due to large size, their concealment suffer, but with her 139 mm guns will make you think twice. (Larger than Lada's (Russian) 130mm but smaller than BMW's (German) 150mm) CL line -> French light cruiser line, artillery WD40 and NOS at T6. CA line -> Early access to CA like Japan, but no artillery WD40 and no NOS Cruiser note: Since there is no known light cruiser design after De Grasse / Chateurenault, it is uncertain if there will be a T8 light cruiser line. If -> Theoretical T8 light cruiser exist with 12 guns Light cruiser line stops at T8 and the next re searchable tier will be Charles Martel, T8 heavy cruiser, thus ending the light cruiser tech tree. Else If -> Theoretical T9 light cruiser design possible Light cruiser line continues till T10. Else -> Light cruiser line stops at T7 and the next re searchable tier will be Charles Martel, T8 heavy cruiser, thus ending the light cruiser tech tree. Cruiser note: French and Italian tech tree will have this similarities. What France makes, Italy responds and vise versa. Battleship T3 Turenne No change T4 Courbet No change T5 Bretagne No change T6 Normandie No change Forward Guns Branch (The French way) T6 Preliminary Dunkerque Armament: 8 × 305 mm (12 in)/50 (?) guns (2 x 4) ?? × 130 mm(5.1 in)/45 guns (? x 4 and ? x 2) ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in)/50 guns (? x 2) ?? × 13.2 mm (0.52 in)/76 Hotchkiss MG (? x 1 and ? x 2) Note: I am a bit skeptical at 305 mm being on T6. But the Lyon with 340 mm is on T7 so..... T7 Strasbourg Armament: 8 × 330 mm (13 in)/50 guns (2 x 4) 16 × 130 mm(5.1 in)/45 guns (3 x 4 and 2 x 2) 8 × 37 mm (1.5 in)/50 guns (4 x 2) 8 × 13.2 mm (0.52 in)/76 Hotchkiss MG (8 x 1) Armour: Belt: Dunkerque: 225 mm Strasbourg: 283 mm Deck: Dunkerque: 115 – 125 mm Strasbourg: 127 – 137 mm Turrets: Dunkerque: 150 – 330 mm Strasbourg: 160 – 360 mm Conning tower: 270 mm Note: Armour shows the difference between Dunkerque and Strasbourg. While both ships will have 26s reload time, only Dunkerque will get the WD40 Armament reload booster, while Strasbourg dose not. Question: Should Dunkerque move up to T7 along with her sister Strasbourg or stay at T6? T8 Richelieu Armament: 8 × 380 mm (15 in)/45 guns (2 x 4) 9× 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3) Note: No change. Side Note: Richelieu's Hull A is similar to Clemenceau, the 3rd sister of the Richelieu class, where she recieves 2 extra secondary turrets in her sides insted of usual AA armament of 37mm and 13.2mm were placed. T9 Flandre (Project 4 Richelieu Class) Armament: 9 - 12 × 380 mm (15 in)/45 guns (3 x 3 or 3 x 4) 9 × 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3) 24 × 100 mm (3.9 in)/45 guns (12 x 2) Note: French Nelson. Note: Turret C is facing forward. T10 Liberte Armament: 8 x 431 mm (17 in)/50 guns (2 x 4) 16 x 127 mm (5 in)/54 guns (8 x 2) 9 x 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3) Note: Republique has 1 forward and 1 rear turret, Liberte has both turret in front and none in the rear. Traditional Style Branch T7 Lyon Armament: 16 x 340 mm (13.4 in)/45 guns (4 x 4) 24 × 130 mm(5.1 in)/45 guns (4 x 4 and 4 x 2) 40 × 37 mm (1.5 in)/50 guns (20 x 2) 24 × 13.2 mm (0.52 in)/76 Hotchkiss MG (12 x 2) Note: No change. Side Note: there were 2 other designs for Lyon and they can be sold as premium. Other Design 1 (Turret Configuration): There was a competing design for Lyon with 2 turrets forward (A, B)and 2 turrets rear (X, Y) (The center turret (C) was moved forward). This means she can fire 8 guns insted of only 4. (source: Journal of United States Artillery, example Tourville) Other Design 2 (Armament Size): there were plans to mount Lyon with 8 380 mm guns, but later abandoned due to time constraints. Personal Opinion: Lyon seems to have a mistake in her design in an engineering stand point. Her funnel is in the front near the bridge tower. Does this mean either the engine is between Turret A and Turret C and have extra long gears to the propeller. Or the engine is in the correct position (which is near in the middle) and have created a long shaft funnel to go forward. Which may heat up the magazine room in Turret C and cause catastrophic explosion. I know im being nit picky on this but it just looks wrong. We can open a discussion this in another topic in the forum. T8 "Gascogne" type Armament: 8 × 380 mm (15 in)/45 guns (2 x 4) 9× 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3) Note: She is Gascogne in all manner and configuration but she is not Gascogne. Gascogne is a premium and will find another name for her, but the configuration of the armament replicates Gascogne. T9 Alsace (N3) Armament: 12 × 380 mm (15 in)/45 guns (3 x 4) 9 × 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3) 24 × 100 mm (3.9 in)/45 guns (12 x 2) Note: No change. Note: The only odd one in the branch as she has rear turret. T0 Republique Armament: 8 x 431 mm (17 in)/50 guns (2 x 4) 16 x 127 mm (5 in)/54 guns (8 x 2) 9 x 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3) Note: No change. Next is Cruisers Full details in the following days.
  16. I am facing poverty in WOWs and to get NC is crazy expensive include all modules upgrade it cost at least 18Mil. So i have few Dollars to spend on premium ships, preferred tier 6/7 (the most fun tier ever). I read certain review and Duca d'Aosta seems to be the best premium cruiser to tier 6. Is there any better premium ships that prints money faster?
  17. I know I'm still far from getting the Salem, (cuz I only have 50k coal atm) but I want to plan ahead whether if I should get the Salem or Musashi. What I want to know is, how does it compare to it's counterpart, the Des Moines, and does it compete well against other tierX ships? Also, how good is it with credit farming compared to other high tier premiums like Missouri, Musashi, and Kronshtadt? For playstyle, I think I know how to use US Cruisers, I already have Baltimore and Cleveland, and almost ready to get the Buffalo.
  18. coldsteelfury

    Soviet Cruiser T9 Kronshtadt

    I just played a game with my T8 T7 Myoko and encountered the premium Soviet T9 cruiser Kronshtadt. I can't believe what just happened. I shot this ship multiple times broadside with 203mm AP shells. Distances varied from 14km right down to 10km. My shells either shattered or ricocheted. A small percentage of shells did normal penetration damage. No citadels. The enemy Kronshtadt made zero attempt to angle itself and happily shredded my full health highly angled Myoko with impunity, it's AP shells ripping right through my Myoko (even when angled at less than 30 degrees). IJN CA's are meant to have the biggest guns in the game in so far as cruisers are concerned. It is utterly ridiculous that a Myoko can rain AP hell upon a lazy broadside cruiser several times (and that's the keyword I'd like to emphasise: cruiser) and do absolutely bugger all damage. Most shells couldn't even do normal pen damage, the armor on a perfect broadside was so thick that the 203mm AP mostly shattered or bounced. Crazy! If WG want the Kronshtadt to be impervious to AP fire from other cruisers, then WG should classify Kronshtadt as a battleship (just like other battlecruisers like in the IJN BB tech tree). What an absolute cheat ship. Being outplayed is one thing, but false representations is another. Having a so-called cruiser show perfect broadside at close/medium range and multiple times shrug off virtually all damage from heavy 203mm AP cruiser guns is beyond belief. Now I have to memorise that Kronshtadt is not a cruiser but a battleship in disguise that cannot be citadelled when broadside. It's ridiculous. We're not talking T10 Yamato here, we're talking about an alleged cruiser in the same tier bracket as my Myoko. The German Graf Spee is a "pocket battleship" cruiser which has a half cruiser and half battleship personality, but it will take citadel damage if the captain presents a broadside. But I guess because the Graf Spee is German that's the difference. WG loves to create these Soviet vessels with magical powers. We get it guys. You're patriotic. But calling the Kronshtadt a cruiser is a sick joke. Honestly I'd love to have a cruiser which can rip through heavily angled targets with its guns and cannot be penetrated broadside by other cruisers no matter how stupid I am. It must take a "tremendous" amount of skill to pilot a cruiser with magical powers like that. Talk about a troll ship. /rant
  19. Hello I am back home for vacations and am grinding my way through the american cruiser line. Thing is most of my time spent is joining a game, getting blown up, and going back to my DDs for solace. I have no doubt the fault lies in the way i play them but i cant figure it out. Till omaha i could dodge shots with WASDing(the occasional AP hit didnt do much). Cleveland was a good bonfire igniter but pensacola has really left me reeling.... i try to maneuver and stuff but even if a single shot hits me, it removes a MAJOR chunk off my HP. Whenever a BB spots me , it always switches targets to aim on me. i have tried hiding and using islands but that way I contribute nothing to the team . Any advice would be nice. PS I rarely visit the forums so if this is the wrong place to post this ... I apologize in advance and request that this be moved at the correct spot.
  20. One of the many great things about WoWS is you are free to set your own goals. Fitting then that my sweetest "victory" of all was completing a task which was entirely of my own design: I wanted to claw back 14 losses accumulated in my Furutaka and a 42% WR to draw an even 50%. Make no mistake, that 42% was earned. No MM unfairness, I really was that bad. So this wasn't just about grinding out the wins, it was about getting good enough to win at all. And 14 losses is a lot to ground to make up. Consider if you play at a win rate of 52%, it would take 350 games to accumulate 14 net wins. I managed to do it in about 150 games (I was 42% after I had about 160 Furutaka games), and now sit on a clean 50%+ WR in all my IJN cruisers (see below). Consider also that Furutaka only has a 49% WR ship average. In celebration, indulge me while tell you how I did it and gush about why Furutaka C is my favorite ship in the game. ***** (Since the A and B hulls blow by in less than 20 games, I'll focus on the C hull exclusively. It's for all intents an purpose a different ship.) I struggled mightily with Furutaka for the longest time. The Eureka moment came 150 games in, when I replaced Main Battery Mod 2 with Aiming Systems Mod 1 and starting trying to hit citadels (or other specific parts of a ship) rather than just trying to hit the ship period. The next advance was understanding the guns(tm) and realizing how much more powerful they can be at 8 km compared to 12 km. The final pieces of the Furutaka "git gud" equation is learning to kite like a boss(tm), together with the sister skill, timing the turn(tm). Secondary but still important addons to the Furutaka captain portfolio include the ever popular shoot over islands(tm) and how to avoid knife fights(tm). Furutaka is a beautiful ship. Not pretty, but well-balanced and purposeful. A Furutaka is well-suited to perform just about any in-game support role you can name: destroyer hunter, cruiser killer, battleship harasser, guard, escort, and scout duties, even capping is possible in a pinch. She has powerful, long range torps, high caliber guns, good AP and HE shells, reasonable armor, good firing angles, decent speed, and reasonable maneuverability. The only real limitations that must be accepted and worked around is the mediocre AA, the slow turret traverse, and the long reload times on both guns and torps. It might be said that the 13.9 km gun range is a limitation, but I would disagree. Furutaka is not meant to hang back and snipe like Konigsberg. The engagement distance you should be looking at is 6-8 km for DD, 8-10 km for CA, and up around the detection circle (~12 km base) for BBs. Furutaka is one of the few T5 ships I can take out in T5-7 MM and not feel disadvantaged in. The trick is to work closely with friendly ships and always keep the exits open. ..... ps. screenshot is of my 322nd furutaka game, the one I crossed over to 50% with. Not my best, but definitely good enough to commemorate the occasion with.
  21. Captain_screw

    NEW US Cruiser line Q/A

    Started playing WOWS like 6 or 7 months ago. And Don't know what happens when there is a line split. So, I have a Pensacola and a Cleveland. My question regarding this is what will I have after the line split update? Please keep it as simple as possible. I really don't understand the concept of line split. Still learning things.
  22. Suggestions? I require best reload time with damage values plus maneuver.
  23. Adorable_Yukari

    Glorious moment for us cruiserkind

    Side note: Dear captain of that Mutsuki: I am absolutely amazed that you did not get blown out of the water by all those big, bad cruisers Side side note: What a great seal-clubbing session that was
  24. DeadlyDeeevil

    Strongest Cruiser Line

    With the Indroduction of the new British cruiser line, whats the strongest cruiser line to proceed down?
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