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  1. Earl is now back with another Ship👏Proposal👏, and i'll promise it makes more sense compared to last time. sigh As you might know, there's no special supercruiser like Alaska or Azuma for the British line. Thankfully, there's many design that actually exist and enough information to be made into a sensible proposal. Here's my attempt on one. Earl's Inquiry: British Supercruiser Proposal Modified 1930 Lillicrap Battlecruiser Design HMS Defence, Earl's 'Supercruiser' design Historical Background and Rationale Lillicrap's Design In 1930-32, the Royal Navy asked Sir Charles Lillicrap, chief designer of Leander and Arethusa-class light cruiser, to conduct a study of small capital ships as examples for the 1932 Geneva Disarmament Conference. At this time, the-then under construction Deutschland-class 'pocket battleships' caused a stir among British officials, as said ship can outgun most Royal Navy cruisers and outrun their capital ships. The only ships strong and fast enough to counter them is the Battlecruiser Squadron consisting of Hood, Renown, and Repulse. However, the British recognize that such limited amount is not enough to cover the vast area of operation Deutschland expected to raid. Not only that, there's been talks about imposing even stricter standard on capital ships to a maximum of 25.000t displacement and 12" caliber. With this in mind, Lillicrap devised two potential design: 1930. 20,000tons 680' waterline, beam 84', 90' over bulges; draught 22'; (3x2)12" or 10" (6x2)6" 6x4.7". Armor 9" side, 5" deck. 80,000shp for 30 knots 1932. 18,500tons 660', beam 83ft draught 21' (3x2)10" (4x2)6" (4x2) HA (2x8)2pdr. Armor 8" side, 3"+1" deck 80,000shp, 30 knots While perfectly serviceable, such ship were eventually discarded as the conference ends without any agreement reached. These so-called small battlecruisers were deemed impractical and too expensive in early 1930s. 1938 Study After the Second London Naval Treaty, another problem arose. The Mogami and Brooklyn-class started a new generation of heavily armed, decently protected cruisers capable of standing toe-to-toe against treaty heavy cruisers like the County-class. While the new Town-class light cruiser were deemed capable, majority of British cruiser force consists of old heavy cruisers or small trade escort light cruisers. Again, the Admiralty commissioned another study to determine the most effective way to encounter the new ship. New designs came and went, most fitted with 8" guns in triple turrets and were precursor to the eventual Admiral-class cruiser (Albemarle in-game). However, the most interesting is Study 3 (12in/20,000t). Basically early Alaska, at 20,000 tons, it was armed with six 12" guns, with 7" belt and 3" deck, which was what the Japanese were (incorrectly) reported to be building. Unlike the 8" and 9.2" cruisers, it was legal under the 1936 treaty, because it came in above the prohibited cruiser zone (8,000-17,000 tons, 6.1in to 10in guns). But again, it was abandoned and the project went for more economical 8" and 9.2" design previously mentioned. Rationale - Why? Battle of the River Plate shows how the Admiral Graf Spee almost managed to outfight their cruiser force, and only subdued after the British arrives with Renown, Ark Royal, and more heavy cruisers. The lack of sizeable and fast enough warship capable to intercept and hunt German warships is a major thorn for the British, especially after the loss of Hood and Repulse so early in the war. This losses were only partly-remedied by employment of battleships among convoy as passive deterrence, but the problem still remains. By the end of the war, only Renown and brand-new Vanguard were fit for this cruiser-killer role, while the number of even more powerful cruisers like Des Moines are coming online. While investment for Town and subsequent Crown Colony-classes were important, it would be interesting on what happen if the British went like the French did on Dunkerque and later Americans with their Alaska. While the cost of many designs previously mentioned is double that of the light cruisers, they're substantially more capable for the size. The fact they're economical compared to full-fledged fast battleships is attractive not only for post-war situation but also for Commonwealth nations for home defense like the WWI Indefatigable-class. Considering how they're built to conform harsher treaty limitation than what eventually agreed upon, such designs could be ideal in another world. Analysis for inclusion in-game Defence's first iteration, the Defiance with more historical AA based on King George V It is weird that the Royal Navy, a major naval power both in real life and in game, lacked special ship for ‘supercruiser’ moniker in-game like Alaska, Azuma, and Kronstadt. Because of that, this ship is designed in such a way that it would be a viable competitor against said ships at Tier 9. While the design mentioned before were perfectly capable in their own right, the lack of high enough speed and mediocre armament compared to Dunkerque then under construction necessitated improvement in that department, and thus ballooned from 20.000t to about 27.000t based on my calculation. A switch to triple turrets and emphasis on endurance contribute much to the increase. For the design in itself, it’s based on the general specifications outlined before and also on King George V-class with influence from Renown and Lion. As a British ship, the flavor remain the same par with the battleship and heavy cruiser: low health pool (58.300), very high performance HE focus, serviceable AP, agility, and concealment. In general, the ship would have reload of around 20-22s, supercruiser dispersion with touch of higher sigma, agility similar to Thunderer, and normal fuse. Protection wise, it’s in between Alaska and Azuma. Her drawback include shorter range at 16.5 km and mediocre AA defense. It will play as like other British ship; Support and kite. For consumables, it will be limited to regular damage control and enhanced repair party to compensate the lack of health pool, complemented by choice of spotter or catapult fighter aircraft for range and self-defense. But Earl, that sounds like Azum- sssshh The thing about British flavor is how boring it is generally. And considering how Wargaming shaped it like that from ground up, I have nothing but to fit with said flavor. However, I tried my best to make it perform more consistently with ability to tank somewhat, offering a hybrid between Alaska and Azuma (let’s ignore Agir). It has flexibility to operate as medium-range stealthy ship or long-range trebuchet, both with heal and agility good enough to pull out safely. And of course, usual stats like alpha would be up to Wargaming for balancing. Strengths: Phenomenal HE performance signature of British line plus serviceable AP without the short fuse. Best rudder shift at 12 s stock. Second-best concealment at 12 km max. Torpedoes. Weaknesses: Mediocre AA Lowest health pool out of all supercruiser Short-ranged guns at 16.5 km More on the squishy side even with enhanced heal Specification Displacement 27.000t standard 31.500t full Length 212 m (overall) Beam 27.4 m Draft 6.7 m Armament 9x 12" (305 mm)/50 Mk. XIV gun, in triple turret, AB-X 20x 4.5" (113 mm) /45 QF Mk. I gun, five per side in twin mounts 46x 40 mm Bofors, in various mounts 28x 20 mm Oerlikon, in various mounts 8x 533 mm torpedo tubes, four per side Speed 33 knots Armor 9.2" (234 mm) belt 5" (127 mm) deck 9" (229 mm) turret and barbettes Thoughts?
  2. Hello everyone, Earl has been hooked up with an interesting prospect, that is a possible, Tech Tree split of the British battleship line. It's rather short, but at early stage discussion is always helpful for research. Here's what i've been up to. Abstract and Premise Current Line Details Note: Work in progress Tier V - Tiger (Tiger-class Battlecruiser) Tier VI - Renown (Renown-class Battlecruiser) Tier VII - Anson (Admiral-class Battlecruiser) Tier VIII - Howe (J3 Project) Tier IX - Hawke (K3 Project) Tier X - St. Vincent (Lion-class Post-war design) What-to-Finish Gimmick Statistics Proper Tier X Possible upgrades
  3. Please someone give me the executive summary on the Tier V and Tier VI ships, so I know what to expect. Comparisons with Furutaka and Aoba would be helpful.
  4. Ok completely shameless humblebrag here... Spiteful Warspite by @Bex_o7 honestly you folks should like and subscribe to him, his commentary is always awesome (very strongly suggest you check out his MN DD series, very good information on the French Destroyers). You will learn stuff from watching as he often remarks on good/bad plays, angling, aim, etc. Had a ripper of a game in a Warspite, it was finally good enough to be featured (I send him a few from time to time). Anyways, here's the link, enjoy folks...
  5. Paladinum

    New premium: HMS Exeter

    New premium ship revealed! Tier FIVE Royal Navy heavy cruiser, HMS Exeter. Really good stealth (being T5...), good shell velocity, Repair Party and Catapult Aircrafts... Should be T6 instead? Reminder: You don't need to have a Facebook account to view Facebook posts.
  6. The Royal Navy event this month must be the most generous (easy?) one yet. A Tier 6 premium ship, a T5 DD (yes, of course I get Acasta and not Jervis... I am not lucky just persistent), and a truckload of flags'n'stuff in return for playing what, maybe 30 random battles over three weekends? This is my Warspite. Currently one of the few in the game equipped with last stand and survivability expert, but Jack Dunkirk is just popping in for tea before going back to Acasta. Acasta ... people seem to slag this ship off, but I like this DD a lot. It's similar to a Nicholas I guess, but sneakier, and with several patented RN tricks: SmokeOnDemand(tm), TorpsInALine(tm), and Stop'n'Start(tm) which, combined, offer near non stop hilarity. Plus once the line opens up there's Jervis and Lightning to look forward to.
  7. ROYAL NAVY活動 如需要加入公會 公會簡稱: -RN- 公會名稱: ROYAL NAVY -HONG KONG 戰績要求: 不需要 此公會為休閒公會 方便新手起步 2星期不上線者會除名,方便其他新手加入。
  8. WOWS World Of Warships 戰艦世界 各位艦長們, 2018新手邀請 ROYAL NAVY活動 公會簡稱: -RN- 公會名稱: ROYAL NAVY -HONG KONG 戰績要求: 不需要 此公會為休閒公會 方便新手起步 各自活動 如公會夠人可組隊出發
  9. _FARANK_

    RN Normal Container OP

    So This is what I got from playing missions and opening normal container. What did u guys got so far?
  10. Subete_Yoi

    British Battleship Dreadnought

    British Battleship Dreadnought bask at her glory! Specifications: Type: Dreadnought Battleship Displacement: 18410 tonsLength: 160.6 meters Breadth: 25 meters No of shafts: 4 Engine: 18 Babcock & Wilcox Boilers Power: 23000 h.p. Top speed: 21 knots (39 km/h) Armament: 5 - Twin BL 12 inch Mark X Guns Whooping 27 - Single 12 Pounder 18 CWT Mark I Guns 5 - 18-inch Torpedo Tubes Armour: Belt: 102 - 279 mm Bulkheads: 203 mm Barrettes: 102 - 279 mm Turrets: 76 - 305 mm Deck:19 - 76 mm Conning tower: 279 mm Torpedo room: 152 mm Info: Fate:Scrapped 2 January 1923 After reading back, I can already sense that there are tons of mistakes that I might not noticed. So dear historians and warships experts, do tell if there's any inaccuracy or something to add or point out. Don't want to spread the wrong info in the historical section now, would we?
  11. Teostra

    how to Lion?

    i'm doing badly in this ship with 37% wr, the shell dispersion are completely random, even hitting stationary targets at 14km is relies heavily on RNG, the AP feel good if it actually hits and connect, but it doesn't, so is the HE and fire chance, doing only 2 - 3k every salvo is dissapointing, everytime i shoot feels like rolling a dice andhoping it would get good result, and the economic also feels weird, i feel like it has pre buff CV economics, strugling to get good base exp despite in a good games, is Lion really a waste of time exp and money? i should have kept my KGV
  12. IJN_Katori

    Proposed British BBs

    Suggested a Proposed Battleships for the Teapot BBs Tier III - HMS Dreadnought Tier IV - HMS Revenge Tier V - HMS Royal Oak Tier VI - HMS Queen Elizabeth Tier VII Premium - HMS Vanguard Tier VII - HMS Nelson Tier VIII Premium - HMS Repulse Tier VIII - HMS Hood Tier IX - HMS Lion Class Blueprint Tier X - Prince of Wales
  13. blauflamme22

    French over RN ships

    I'm by no means complaining, I'm happy to see new ships and I'll definitely give the french line a try, but I would genuinely like to know why a French cruiser line has been introduced before a Royal Navy DD, BB or even CV line, considering that at the era this game is set the Royal Navy was the most powerful in the world and the standard that all others ascribed too. I'm just curious as to how the decision making precess works.
  14. amazinghuh

    RN captain skills

    Hey guys! I just got my Leander and i was wondering which skills would suit her best, also imma use her captain till i reach Minotaur then i think i might have readjust the cap skills or maybe not if i have enough point on her captain so yeah which should i start off with BoS or BFT and what bout the remaining skills? much thanks
  15. Subete_Yoi

    British Monitor General Wolfe

    British Monitor General Wolfe dont mind that big gun on the end~ Specifications: Class/Type: Lord Clive Class Monitor Displacement: 5995 tons Length: 102.3 meters Breadth: 26.6 meters Shafts: 2 Engine: 2 triple expansion steam engines and 2 boilers Power: 2500 h.p. Top speed: 8 knots (14.8 km/h) Armaments: 1 - 18 inch/457 mm Gun 2 - BL 12 inch/304.8 mm Mk VIII Guns 2 - 6 inch/152 mm Guns 2 - 12 pdr/76 mm Guns Info: Fate: Sold & Scrapped 1923 I've made this thread after looking for some info about it after noticing dead_man_walking's thread but after reading back, I can already sense that there are tons of mistakes that I might not noticed. So dear historians and warships experts, do tell if there's any inaccuracy or something to add or point out. Don't want to spread the wrong info in the historical section now, would we?
  16. Ensign_Brendoonigan

    New ship lines

    Okay guys with the German BB line practically here, and there being probably only about 4 months left of the year when she is produced, I have to say WG is going to be full on trying to finish those last 2 lines. Has anyone got any newer info on approx' release dates for them as the year is rapidly running out. All I've heard about for the last 2-3 months has been that the e German BB's are coming, so if I was to use that time frame then we'll only see the one of them; which apparently is the RN Cruiser line first, followed by the KVM German line early next year. Or is it simply that everyone is just so hyped up over the KVM BB line that all the other lines are falling under the radar? I just can't see them releasing 2 lines over 2 updates. Thoughts?
  17. NguyenArchitakuVN

    British and French "Atlanta"?

    So... I introduce to you the Dido-class cruiser of the Royal Navy (Not dildo, okay?) This ship has a displacement of about 7000 tons. Pretty much similar to the US Atlanta. Her armament is 10-time 133 mm dual purpose gun in dual mounts and 6 torpedo tubes (3 on each side). All turrets are center-line mounted. If this ship makes it into the game, it would likely to be a tier VII premium cruiser for the Royal Navy, her stat and play-style would be a lot like Atlanta. She has less number of guns than the Atlanta, but her guns are bigger. I don't know about the torpedoes but it seems like the torpedoes on British ships are just as bad as the American's. And this sexy lady is the French De Grasse-class cruiser. She would be similar to the Atlanta, Also has 127 mm gun. 16-time 127 mm guns in dual mounts, making it 8 turrets. But she can't have a full broadside of all of her guns. Only 4 turrets are center-line mounted. The other 4 are mounted on her side, making a full broadside of 12 guns. 12 compared to 14 on the Atlanta is a bit of a downside. She doesn't have any torpedo (1946 configuration). But she has a heavier displacement of 9300 tons. So i guess this ship will have a pretty healthy HP pool compared to the Dildo... Sorry, Dido and the Atlanta. Both ships have pretty good top speed of average 32-33 knots.
  18. The KGV-class battleships were the best ships the RN got. But after the destruction of HMS Hood, and the sinking of Prince of Wales, and Pearl Harbor, they realized that they needed a better battleship. The Lion-class Battleship, were modified KGVs, elongated and fitted with 9x16 inch guns, just like the North Carolina & South Dakota class of the USN, and an improved version of the 16 inch guns of the Nelson & Rodney.. But they were scrapped, realizing that the new 16 inch guns were still in development, plus the resources were scarce to scrape together for the British. So they made a parallel project, using the 8x15inch guns on the Courageous-class and learning from the lessons learned to make a true successor to the KGV-class. The result, was HMS Vanguard. Underwater protection was top notch, design against hit from 1000kg Torpedos. Unfortunately, she was too late to see action in WWII, being commissioned in 1946, due to the constant delays and overruns in development and design of the ship. She was then used for the Royal Trip to South Africa and Queen Elizabeth II's Coronation Review in 1952. So, when the Royal Navy comes in the future patches, HMS Vanguard would most likely be Tier X BB or Tier IX BB of the RN, and if it were to be tier IX, then most likey, the Lion-class Battleships would be the Tier X BBs
  19. Subete_Yoi

    British Gunboat Aphis

    British Gunboat Aphis Specifications: Class/Type: Insect Class Gunboat Displacement: 635 tons Length: 72.39 meters Breadth: 11 meters Shafts: 2 Engine: 2 Vertical Triple Expansion Engines Power: 2000 h.p. Top speed: 14 knots (26km/h) Armaments: 2 - BL 6 Inch Mk VII Guns 2 - 12 pdr Guns 6 - .303 Maxim Machine Guns Info: Fate: Scrapped 1947 After reading back, I can already sense that there are tons of mistakes that I might not noticed. So dear historians and warships experts, do tell if there's any inaccuracy or something to add or point out. Don't want to spread the wrong info in the historical section now, would we?