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    Fan made Italian tech tree

    BATTLESHIPS Tier III US: South Carolina Japan: Kawachi Italy: Cuniberti 1902 Primary armament: US: 4x2 305/45(8 guns on broadside), 2 rpm Japan: 6x2 305/50(8 guns on broadside), 1.8 rpm Italy: //(either the 12"/40 with RoF buff or the 12"/46 M1909) Secondary armament: US: 22x1 or 20x1 76/50(11 or 10 guns on broadside), 10 rpm Japan: 4x1 80/40(2 on broadside), 12 rpm; 8x1 120/40(4 guns on broadside), 12 rpm; 10x1 152/45(5 on broadside), 6 rpm Italy: 12x1 76/40(6 guns on broadside), 15 rpm(source) (the number can easily be improved since the second iteration of the Regina Elena-class had 24 guns) Protection(maximum thickness): US: 305 mm(citadel), 51 mm(deck) Japan: 305 mm(citadel), 31 mm(deck) Italy: 305 mm(citadel), //(deck) (still need to find it) Installed power: US: 16000 or 17600 hp Japan: 22500 or 27300 hp Italy: //(still need to find it) Speed: US: 15.8 or 18 knots Japan: 18.4 or 20 knots Italy: //(possibly between 20 and 22 knots, comparable to Regina Elena which was supposed to replace in Cuniberti's idea) Tier IV US: Wyoming Japan: Myogi Italy: Conte di Cavour, Caio Duilio Primary armament: US: 6x2 305/50(12 guns on broadside), 2 rpm Japan: 3x2 356/45(6 guns on broadside), 1.8 rpm Italy: -Conte di Cavour: 2x2 plus 3x3 305/46(13 guns on broadside), 2 rpm(source) -Caio Duilio: 2x2 plus 3x3 305/46(13 guns on broadside), 2 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: 16x1 or 6x1 127/51(8 or 3 guns on broadside), 8.6 rpm Japan: 6x1 or 4x1 80/40(3 or 2 on broadside), 12 rpm or 6x1 120/40(3 on broadside), 10 rpm; 16x1 152/50(8 guns on broadside), 6 rpm; Italy: -Conte di Cavour: 18x1 120/50(9 guns on broadside), rpm unknown(source), 13x1 76/50(above the primary armament turrets), 10 rpm(source) -Caio Duilio: 16x1 152/45(8 guns on broadside), 6/7 rpm(source) (it's the most likely gun since in the Italian page of navweaps the gun isn't listed), 13x1 76/50(above the primary armament turrets), 10 rpm(source) Protection(maximum thickness): US: 305 mm(citadel), 51 mm(deck) Japan: 203 mm(citadel), 25 mm(deck)(A/B), 70 mm(deck)© Italy: -Conte di Cavour: 250 mm(citadel), 40 mm(deck) -Caio Duilio: 250 mm(citadel), 40 mm(deck) Installed power: US: 24000 or 28000 hp Japan: 68250 or 77000 hp Italy: -Conte di Cavour: 31000 hp -Caio Duilio: 30000 hp Speed: US: 18 or 20.5 knots Japan: 24.4 or 28 knots Italy: -Conte di Cavour: 21.5 knots -Caio Duilio: 21 knots Tier V US: New York Japan: Kongo Italy: Conte di Cavour, Caio Duilio Primary armament: US: 5x2 356/45(10 guns on broadside), 1.8 rpm Japan: 4x2 356/45(6 guns on broadside), 1.8 rpm Italy: -Conte di Cavour: 2x2 plus 2x3 320/44(10 guns on broadside), 2 rpm(source) -Caio Duilio: 2x2 plus 2x3 320/44(10 guns on broadside), 2 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: 16x1 or 6x1 127/51(8 or 3 guns on broadside), 8.6 rpm Japan: 4x1 80/40(2 on broadside), 17.1 rpm or 4x2 127/40(4 on broadside), 12 rpm; 16x1 or 14x1 152/50(8 or 7 guns on broadside), 6 rpm; Italy: -Conte di Cavour: 6x2 120/50(6 guns on broadside), 6/7 rpm(source) plus 6x2 100/47(6 guns on broadside), 10 rpm(source) or 6x2 135/45(6 guns on broadside), 6/7 rpm(source) -Caio Duilio: 4x3 135/45(6 guns on broadside), 6/7 rpm(source), 10x1 90/50(5 guns on broadside), 12 rpm(source) Protection(maximum thickness): US: 305 mm(citadel), 44 mm(deck)(A), 89 mm(deck)(B) Japan: 203 mm(citadel), 38 mm(deck)(A), 120 mm(deck)(B/C) Italy: -Conte di Cavour: 250 mm(citadel), 100 mm(deck) -Caio Duilio: 250 mm(citadel), 100 mm(deck) Installed power: US: 27000 or 28100 hp Japan: 75000 or 136000 hp Italy: -Conte di Cavour: 75000 hp -Caio Duilio: 75000 hp Speed: US: 18.4 or 21 knots Japan: 24.9 or 30 knots Italy: -Conte di Cavour: 27/28 knots -Caio Duilio: 26 knots [WORK IN PROGRESS]
  2. Deamon93IT

    Fan made Italian tech tree

    Tier VI US: Cleveland Japan: Aoba Germany: Nurnberg Italy: -Montecuccoli/d'Aosta(temporary) -degli Abruzzi(temporary) Primary armament: US: 4x3 152/47(12 guns on broadside), 6 or 7.5 rpm Japan: 3x2 203/50(6 guns on broadside), 5.5 rpm Germany: 3x3 150/60(9 guns on broadside), 10 rpm Italy: -Montecuccoli: 4x2 152/53(8 guns on broadside), 8 rpm(source) -d'Aosta: 4x2 152/53(8 guns on broadside), 8 rpm(source) -degli Abruzzi: 2x2 plus 2x3 152/55(10 guns on broadside), 4-5 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: 6x2 127/38(8 guns on broadside), 10 rpm Japan: 4x1 120/40(2 guns on broadside), 10 rpm Germany: 4x2 88/76(4 guns on broadside), 15 rpm Italy: -Montecuccoli: 3x2 100/47(4 guns on broadside), 10 rpm(source) -d'Aosta: 3x2 100/47(4 guns on broadside), 10 rpm(source) -degli Abruzzi: 4x2 100/47(4 guns on broadside), 10 rpm(source), plus 2x1 100/47(1 gun on broadside) if the torpedo armament is removed Torpedo armament: US: // Japan: 2x4 610 mm(4 on broadside), 102 s reload time Germany: 4x3 533 mm(6 on broadside), 68 s reload time Italy: -Montecuccoli: 2x2 533 mm(2 on broadside) -d'Aosta: 2x3 533 mm(3 on broadside) -degli Abruzzi: 2x3 533 mm(3 on broadside) Protection(maximum thickness): US: 127 mm(citadel), 51 mm(deck) Japan: 76 mm(citadel), 48 mm(deck) Germany: 50 mm(citadel), 20 mm(deck) Italy: -Montecuccoli: 85 mm(citadel), 30 mm(deck) -d'Aosta: 105 mm(citadel), 35 mm(deck) -degli Abruzzi: 130 mm(citadel), 55 mm(deck) Installed power: US: 100000 hp Japan: 102000 hp Germany: 60000 hp Italy: -Montecuccoli: 106000 hp-d'Aosta: 110000 hp -degli Abruzzi: 100000 hp Speed: US: 32.5 knots Japan: 35 knots Germany: 32 knots Italy: -Montecuccoli: 36.5 knots -d'Aosta: 37 knots -degli Abruzzi: 34 knots Tier VII US: Pensacola Japan: Myoko Germany: Yorck Italy: -degli Abruzzi(temporary) -Trento/Bolzano Primary armament: US: 2x2 plus 2x3 203/50 or 203/55(10 guns on broadside), 4 rpm Japan: 5x2 203/50(10 guns on broadside), 4.3 rpm Germany: 4x2 210/45(8 guns on broadside), 4.5 rpm Italy: -degli Abruzzi: 2x2 plus 2x3 152/55(10 guns on broadside), 4-5 rpm(source) -Trento: 4x2 203/50(8 guns on broadside): 3.4 rpm(source) -Bolzano: 4x2 203/53(8 guns on broadside): 3.8 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: 8x1 127/25(4 on broadside), 14.8 rpm Japan: 4x2 127/40(4 guns on broadside), 8 rpm Germany: 4x2 88/76(4 guns on broadside), 15 rpm; 4x2 105/65(4 guns on broadside), 17.9 rpm Italy: -degli Abruzzi: 4x2 100/47(4 guns on broadside), 10 rpm(source), plus 2x1 100/47(1 gun on broadside) if the torpedo armament is removed -Trento: 8x2 or 6x2 100/47(8 or 6 guns on broadside), 10 rpm(source) -Bolzano: 8x2 or 6x2 100/47(8 or 6 guns on broadside), 10 rpm(source) Torpedo armament: US: // Japan: 2x3 or 4x3 610 mm(3 or 6 on broadside), 68 s or 74 s reload time Germany: 4x3 533 mm(6 on broadside), 68 s reload time Italy: -degli Abruzzi: 2x3 533 mm(3 on broadside) -Trento: 4x2 533 mm(4 on broadside) Protection(maximum thickness): US: 102 mm(citadel), 38 mm(deck) Japan: 102 mm(citadel), 35 mm(deck) Germany: 80 mm(citadel), 30 mm(deck) Italy: -degli Abruzzi: 130 mm(citadel), 55 mm(deck) -Trento: 70 mm(citadel), 50 mm(deck) -Bolzano: 70 mm(citadel), 50 mm(deck) Installed power: US: 107000 hp Japan: 132000 hp Germany: 80000 hp Italy: -degli Abruzzi: 100000 hp -Trento: 120000 hp -Bolzano: 150000 hp Speed: US: 32.5 knots Japan: 35 knots Germany: 32 knots Italy: -degli Abruzzi: 34 knots -Trento: 34 knots -Bolzano: 36 knots Tier VIII US: New Orleans Japan: Mogami Germany: Admiral Hipper Italy: Zara Primary armament: US: 3x3 203/55(9 guns on broadside), 4 or 4.3 rpm Japan:5x3 155/60(15 guns on broadside), 6 rpm; 5x2 203/50(10 guns on broadside), 4 rpm Germany: 4x2 203/60(8 guns on broadside), 4.6 rpm Italy : 4x2 203/53(8 guns on broadside): 3.8 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: 8x1 127/25(4 on broadside), 13.3 rpm Japan: 4x2 127/40(4 guns on broadside), 12 or 8 rpm Germany: 4x2 105/65(4 guns on broadside), 17.9 rpm Italy: 8x2 or 6x2 100/47(8 or 6 guns on broadside), 10 rpm(source) Torpedo armament: US: // Japan: 4x4 610 mm(8 on broadside), 109 s reload time Germany: 4x3 533 mm(6 on broadside), 68 s reload time Italy: // Protection(maximum thickness): US: 127 mm(citadel), 83 mm(deck) Japan: 140 mm(citadel), 35 mm(deck) Germany: 80 mm(citadel), 30 mm(deck) Italy: 150 mm(citadel), 90 mm(deck) Installed power: US: 107000 hp Japan: 152000 hp Germany: 110000 hp Italy: 95000 hp Speed: US: 32.5 knots Japan: 34.5 knots Germany: 32 knots Italy: 32 knots Tier IX US: Baltimore Japan: Ibuki Germany: Roon Italy: Ansaldo cruiser for Spain Primary armament US: 3x3 203/55(9 guns on broadside), 4 or 4.6 rpm Japan: 5x2 203/50(10 guns on broadside), 4 rpm Germany: 3x3 203/60(9 guns on broadside), 4.6 or 6 rpm Italy: 4x3 152/55(12 guns on broadside), 4-5 rpm(source); 4x2 or 3x3 203/53(8 or 9 guns on broadside), 3.8 rpm(source) Secondary armament US: 6x2 127/38(8 guns on broadside), 10 rpm Japan: 4x2 127/40(4 guns on broadside), 8 rpm Germany: 6x2 105/65(6 guns on broadside), 17.9 rpm plus 4x1 plus 1x2 150/55(4 guns on broadside), 8 rpm Italy: 12x1 or 6x2 90/50(6 guns on broadside), 12 rpm(source) Torpedo armament Spoiler US: // Japan: 4x4 610 mm(8 on broadside), 109 s or 120 s reload time Germany: 2x4 533 mm(4 on broadside), 90 s reload time Italy: 2x4 533 mm(4 on broadside) Protection(maximum thickness) US: 152 mm(citadel), 65 mm(deck) Japan: 140 mm(citadel), 51 mm(deck) Germany: 100 mm(citadel), 50 mm(deck) Italy: 150 mm(citadel), 95 mm(deck) Installed power US: 120000 hp Japan: 152000 hp Germany: 155000 hp Italy: 200000 hp Speed US: 32.5 knots Japan: 35 knots Germany: 32.5 knots Italy: 37 knots Tier X US: Des Moines Japan: Zao Germany: Hindenburg Italy: Ansaldo cruiser for Russia Primary armament US: 3x3 203/55(9 guns on broadside), 10 rpm Japan: 4x3 203/50(12 guns on broadside), 4.4 rpm Germany: 4x3 203/60(12 guns on broadside), 6 rpm Italy: 3x3 254/55(gun planned for the original UP.90) Secondary armament US: 6x2 127/38(8 guns on broadside), 10 rpm Japan: 6x2 100/65(6 guns on broadside), 20 rpm Germany: 8x2 105/65(6 guns on broadside), 17.9 rpm Italy: Possibly 6x2 135/45(6 guns on broadside), 6/7 rpm(source) plus 6x2 90/50(6 guns on broadside), 12 rpm(source) Torpedo armament US: // Japan: 4x5 610 mm(10 on broadside), 141 s reload time Germany: 4x4 533 mm(4 on broadside), 90 s reload time Italy: 2x3 533 mm(3 on broadside), possibly upgradeable to 2x4 533 mm(4 on broadside) Protection(maximum thickness) US: 152 mm(citadel), 90 mm(deck) Japan: 152 mm(citadel), 55 mm(deck) Germany: 110 mm(citadel), 60 mm(deck) Italy: //(have to find the data on it) Installed power US: 120000 hp Japan: 159000 hp Germany: 155000 hp Italy: 240000 hp Speed US: 33 knots Japan: 34.5 knots Germany: 31.5 knots Italy: 37 knots
  3. Deamon93IT

    Fan made Italian tech tree

    CRUISERS Tier I US: Erie Japan: Hashidate Russia: Orlan Germany: Hermelin Italy: Eritrea Primary armament: US: 4x1 127/51(4 on broadside), 12 rpm; 4x1 152/47(4 on broadside), 8.6 rpm Japan: 2x2 120/45(4 on broadside), 10 or 11 rpm Russia: 2x2 130/50(4 on broadside), 12 rpm Germany: 2x2 128/61(4 on broadside), 12 or 15 rpm Italy: 2x2 120/45(4 on broadside), 7 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: // Japan: // Russia: // Germany: // Italy: // Torpedo armament: US: // Japan: // Russia: // Germany: // Italy: // Protection(maximum thickness): US: 88 mm(citadel), 32 mm(deck) Japan: 30 mm(citadel), 10 mm(deck) Russia: 10 mm(citadel), 10 mm(deck) Germany: 35 mm(citadel), 20 mm(deck) Italy: //(still need to find that info) Installed power: US: 6200 hp Japan: 4600 hp Russia: 20000 hp Germany: 15000 hp Italy: 9100 hp Speed: US: 20 knots Japan: 19.5 knots Russia: 25 knots Germany: 24 knots Italy: 20 knots Tier II US: Chester Japan: Chikuma Germany: Dresden Italy: Quarto Primary armament: US: 4x1 or 6x1 127/50(3 or on broadside), 7.5 rpm; 6x1 152/50(4 on broadside), 8.6 rpm Japan: 4x1 or 8x1 152/45(3 or 5 on broadside), 5 rpm Germany: 10x1 or 12x1 105/40(5 or 6 on broadside), 15 rpm Italy: 6x1 120/50(3 or 5 on broadside); unknown RoF(source) Secondary armament: US: 4x1 76.2/50(2 on broadside), 12 rpm plus 2x1 76.2/23(1 on broadside), 15 rpm Japan: 4x1 80/40(2 on broadside), 12 rpm Germany: // Italy: 6x1 76/50(3 on broadside), 10 rpm(source) Torpedo armament: US: // Japan: // Germany: // Italy: // Protection(maximum thickness): US: 38 mm(citadel), 19 mm(deck) Japan: 16 mm(citadel), 40 mm(deck) Germany: 9 mm(citadel), 50 mm(deck) Italy: //(possibly 9/10 mm) (citadel), 40 mm(deck) Installed power: US: 16000 hp Japan: 22500 hp Germany: 18800 hp Italy: 25000 hp Speed: US: 24 knots Japan: 26 knots Germany: 25 knots Italy: 28 knots Tier III US: St.Louis Japan: Tenryu Germany: Kolberg Italy: Vettor Pisani(temporary) Primary armament: US: 10x1 or 14x1 152/50(6 or 8 on broadside), 6 or 7.5 rpm Japan: 4x1 140/50(4 on broadside), 10 rpm Germany: 12x1 105/40(6 on broadside), 15 rpm Italy: 12x1 152/40(6 on broadside), 7 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: 18x1 76.2/50(9 on broadside), 12 rpm Japan: // Germany: // Italy: 6x1 120/40(4 on broadside), 6 rpm(source) Torpedo armament: US: // Japan: 2x3 533 mm(6 on broadside), 58 s reload time Germany: // Italy: // Protection(maximum thickness): US: 102 mm(citadel), 76 mm(deck) Japan: 63 mm(citadel), 25 mm(deck) Germany: 10 mm(citadel), 80 mm(deck) Italy: 150 mm (citadel), 37 mm(deck) Installed power: US: 24000 hp Japan: 51000 hp Germany: 31000 hp Italy: 13250 hp Speed: US: 22 knots Japan: 32.5 knots Germany: 27 knots Italy: 19 knots Tier IV US: Phoenix Japan: Kuma Germany: Karlsruhe Italy: Da Giussano/Cadorna(temporary) Primary armament: US: 6x1 or 8x1 or 10x1 152/50(3 or 4 or 5 guns on broadside), 6 rpm; 8x1 or 10x1 152/53(4 or 5 guns on broadside), 8.6 rpm Japan: 7x1 140/50(6 guns on broadside), 10 rpm Germany: 8x1 150/45(5 guns on broadside), 7 rpm Italy: 4x2 152/53(8 guns on broadside), 4 or 8 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: // Japan: // Germany: 2x1 88/45(2 guns on broadside), 15 rpm Italy: 3x2 100/47(4 guns on broadside), 10 rpm(source) Torpedo armament: US: 2x2 533 mm(2 on broadside), 44 s reload time; 2x3 533 mm(3 on broadside), 66 s reload time Japan: 4x2 533 mm(4 on broadside), 42 s reload time Germany: 2x2 500 mm(2 on broadside), 42 s reload time; 2x2 600 mm(2 on broadside), 53 s reload time Italy: 2x2 533 mm(2 on broadside) Protection(maximum thickness): US: 76 mm(citadel), 37 mm(deck) Japan: 65 mm(citadel), 30 mm(deck) Germany: 60 mm(citadel), 40 mm(deck) Italy: 32 mm (citadel), 20 mm(deck) Installed power: US: 90000 hp Japan: 90000 hp Germany: 45000 hp Italy: 95000 hp Speed: US: 35 knots Japan: 34.5 knots Germany: 27.5 knots Italy: 36.5 knots Tier V US: Omaha Japan: Furutaka Germany: Konigsberg Italy: -Da Giussano/Cadorna(temporary) -Montecuccoli/d'Aosta(temporary) Primary armament: US: 8x1 plus 2x2 152/53 or 6x1 plus 2x2 152/53(8 or 6 on broadside), 7.5 rpm or 8.6 rpm Japan: 6x1 200/50(6 guns on broadside), 2.7 rpm; 6x1 203/50(6 guns on broadside), 4 rpm Germany: 3x3 150/60(9 guns on broadside), 8 rpm Italy: -Da Giussano/Cadorna: 4x2 152/53(8 guns on broadside), 4 or 8 rpm(source) -Montecuccoli: 4x2 152/53(8 guns on broadside), 8 rpm(source) -d'Aosta: 4x2 152/53(8 guns on broadside), 8 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: // Japan: 4x1 80/40(2 guns on broadside), 17.1 rpm; 4x1 120/40(2 guns on broadside), 12 rpm Germany: 2x1 88/45(2 guns on broadside), 15 rpm; 1x2 88/76(2 guns on broadside), 15 rpm Italy: -Da Giussano/Cadorna: 3x2 100/47(4 guns on broadside), 10 rpm(source) -Montecuccoli: 3x2 100/47(4 guns on broadside), 10 rpm(source) -d'Aosta: 3x2 100/47(4 guns on broadside), 10 rpm(source) Torpedo armament: US: 4x2 533 mm(4 on broadside), 44 s reload time; 4x3 or 2x3 533 mm(6 or 3 on broadside), 66 s or 44 s reload time Japan: 2x3 610 mm(3 on broadside), 73 s or 76 s reload time Germany: 4x3 533 mm(6 on broadside), 68 s reload time Italy: -Da Giussano/Cadorna: 2x2 533 mm(2 on broadside) -Montecuccoli: 2x2 533 mm(2 on broadside) -d'Aosta: 2x3 533 mm(3 on broadside) Protection(maximum thickness): US: 76 mm(citadel), 37 mm(deck) Japan: 76 mm(citadel), 48 mm(deck) Germany: 50 mm(citadel), 20 mm(deck) Italy: -Da Giussano/Cadorna: 32 mm (citadel), 20 mm(deck) -Montecuccoli: 85 mm(citadel), 30 mm(deck) -d'Aosta: 105 mm(citadel), 35 mm(deck) Installed power: US: 90000 hp Japan: 102000 hp Germany: 68200 hp Italy: -Da Giussano/Cadorna: 95000 hp -Montecuccoli: 106000 hp -d'Aosta: 110000 hp Speed: US: 34 knots Japan: 34.5 knots Germany: 32.5 knots Italy: -Da Giussano/Cadorna: 36.5 knots -Montecuccoli: 36.5 knots -d'Aosta: 37 knots
  4. Deamon93IT

    Fan made Italian tech tree

    Tier VI US: Farragut Japan: Mutsuki Russia: Ognevoy Italy: Maestrale Primary armament: US: 5x1 or 4x1 127/38(5 or 4 on broadside), 15 rpm Japan: 4x1 or 2x1 120/45(4 or 2 on broadside), 5 rpm or 10.9 rpm Russia: 2x2 130/50(4 on broadside), 12 rpm Italy: 2x2 120/50 or 1x2 plus 2x1 120/50(4 on broadside), 6/7 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: // Japan: // Russia: // Italy: // Torpedo armament: US: 2x4 533 mm(8 on broadside), 88 s reload time Japan: 2x3 610 mm(6 on broadside), 73 s reload time Russia: 2x3 533 mm(6 on broadside), 70 s reload time Italy: 1x3 or 2x3 533 mm(3 or 6 on broadside) Installed power: US: 42800 hp Japan: 38500 hp Russia: 52200 hp Italy: 44000 hp Speed: US: 36.5 knots Japan: 37.5 knots Russia: 37 knots Italy: 38 knots Tier VII US: Mahan Japan: Hatsuharu Russia: Kiev Italy: Soldati I Primary armament: US: 5x1 or 4x1 127/38(5 or 4 on broadside), 15 rpm Japan: 2x2 plus 1x1 127/50 or 2x2 127/50(5 or 4 on broadside), 6 rpm or 6.7 rpm Russia: 3x2 130/50(6 on broadside), 12 rpm Italy: 2x2 120/50 or 2x2 120/50 plus 1x1 120/50(4 or 5 on broadside), 6/7 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: // Japan: // Russia: 1x2 85/52(2 on broadside), 15 rpm Italy: // Torpedo armament: US: 3x4 533 mm(8 on broadside), 88 s reload time Japan: 2x3 610 mm(6 on broadside), 76 s reload time Russia: 2x5 533 mm(10 on broadside), 127 s reload time Italy: 1x3 or 2x3 533 mm(3 or 6 on broadside) Installed power: US: 49000 hp Japan: 42000 hp Russia: 81000 hp Italy: 48000 hp Speed: US: 35 knots Japan: 36.5 knots Russia: 42.5 knots Italy: 38 knots Tier VIII US: Benson Japan: Fubuki Russia: Tashkent Italy: Soldati II, Maestrale II Primary armament: US: 5x1 or 4x1 127/38(5 or 4 on broadside), 18 rpm Japan: 3x2 or 2x2 127/50(6 or 4 guns on broadside, 6.7 rpm Russia: 3x2 130/50(6 on broadside), 12 rpm Italy: -Soldati II: 2x2 120/50 or 2x2 120/50 plus 1x1 120/50(4 or 5 on broadside), 6/7 rpm(source) -Maestrale II: 3x2 120/50(6 on broadside), 6/7 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: // Japan: // Russia: // Italy: // Torpedo armament: US: 2x5 533 mm(10 on broadside), 109 s reload time Japan: 3x3 610 mm(9 on broadside), 82 s reload time Russia: 3x3 533 mm(10 on broadside), 74 s reload time Italy: -Soldati II: 1x3 or 1x4 533 mm(3 or 4 on broadside) -Maestrale II: 1x3 533 mm(3 on broadside) Installed power: US: 50000 hp Japan: 50000 hp Russia: 125500 hp Italy: Soldati II: 48000 hp Maestrale II: //(most likely more or less comparable to Navigatori) Speed: US: 38 knots Japan: 35 knots Russia: 42.5 knots Italy: Soldati II: 38 knots Maestrale II: //(possibly 38 knots) Tier IX US: Fletcher Japan: Kagero Russia: Udaloy Italy: Medaglie d'Oro Primary armament: US: 5x1 127/38(5 on broadside), 18 rpm Japan: 3x2 or 2x2 127/50(6 or 4 guns on broadside), 6.7 rpm Russia: 3x2 130/50(6 on broadside), 12 rpm; 3x2 130/55(6 on broadside), 13 rpm Italy: 4x1 or 5x1 135/45(4 or 5 on broadside), 6/7 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: // Japan: // Russia: // Italy: // Torpedo armament: US: 2x5 533 mm(8 on broadside), 122 s reload time Japan: 2x4 610 mm(8 on broadside), 109 s reload time Russia: 3x3 533 mm(6 on broadside), 70 s reload time; 3x5 533 mm(10 on broadside), 117 s reload time Italy: 2x3 533 mm(6 on broadside) Installed power: US: 60000 hp Japan: 52000 hp Russia: 84500 hp Italy: 60000 hp Speed: US: 36.5 knots Japan: 35 knots Russia: 40 knots Italy: 35 knots Tier X US: Gearing Japan: Shimakaze Russia: Khabarovsk Italy: Capitani Romani Primary armament: US: 3x2 127/38(6 on broadside), 20 rpm Japan: 3x2 127/50(6 guns on broadside), 8.6 rpm Russia: 4x2 130/55(8 on broadside), 13 rpm Italy: 4x2 135/45(8 on broadside), 6/7 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: // Japan: // Russia: // Italy: // Torpedo armament: US: 2x5 533 mm(8 on broadside), 136 s reload time Japan: 3x5 610 mm(15 on broadside), 150 s reload time Russia: 2x5 533 mm(10 on broadside), 116 s reload time Italy: 2x4 533 mm(8 on broadside) Installed power: US: 60000 hp Japan: 75000 hp Russia: 130000 hp Italy: 110000 hp Speed: US: 36 knots Japan: 35 knots Russia: 43 knots Italy: 40 knots
  5. Deamon93IT

    Fan made Italian tech tree

    DESTROYERS Tier II US: Sampson Japan: Umikaze Russia: Storozhevoi Italy: Palestro, Poerio Primary armament: US: 4x1 102/50(3 on broadside), 8.6 rpm Japan: 3x1 120/40(3 on broadside), 6 rpm Russia: 3x1 102/60(3 on broadside), 12 rpm Italy: -Palestro: 4x1 102/45(3 on broadside), 7 rpm(source) -Poerio: 4x1 or 6x1 102/45(2 or 3 on broadside), 7 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: // Japan: 5x1 80/40(5 on broadside), 17.1 rpm Russia: // Italy: -Palestro: // -Poerio: // Torpedo armament: US: 4x2 457 mm mm(4 on broadside), 22 s reload time Japan: 2x2 457 mm(4 on broadside), 22 s reload time Russia: 3x3 450 mm(9 on broadside), 33 s reload time Italy: -Palestro: 2x2 450 mm(2 on broadside) -Poerio: 2x2 or 4x2 450 mm(2 or 4 on broadside) Installed power: US: 18000 hp Japan: 20500 hp Russia: 28400 hp Italy: -Palestro: 18000 hp -Poerio: 24000 hp Speed: US: 29.5 knots Japan: 33 knots Russia: 35 knots Italy: -Palestro: 32 knots -Poerio: 31.5 knots Tier III US: Wickes Japan: Wakatake Russia: Derzki Italy: Curtatone, Mirabello Primary armament: US: 4x1 102/50(3 on broadside), 8.6 rpm Japan: 3x1 120/45(3 on broadside), 5 rpm Russia: 3x1 102/60(3 on broadside), 12 rpm Italy: -Curtatone: 2x2 102/45(4 on broadside), 7 rpm(source) -Mirabello: 8x1 102/45(5 on broadside), 7 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: // Japan: // Russia: // Italy: -Curtatone: // -Mirabello: // Torpedo armament: US: 4x3 533 mm(6 on broadside), 32 s reload time Japan: 2x2 533 mm(4 on broadside), 39 s reload time Russia: 5x2 450 mm(10 on broadside), 22 s reload time Italy: -Palestro: 2x3 450 mm(6 on broadside) -Mirabello: 2x2 450 mm(2 on broadside) Installed power: US: 26400 hp Japan: 21500 hp Russia: 25500 hp Italy: -Curtatone: 22000 hp -Mirabello: 44000 hp Speed: US: 34 knots Japan: 35.5 knots Russia: 34 knots Italy: -Curtatone: 32 knots -Mirabello: 35 knots Tier IV US: Clemson Japan: Isokaze Russia: Izyaslav Italy: Sella, Leone Primary armament: US: 4x1 or 4x2 102/50(3 or 6 on broadside), 8.6 rpm Japan: 3x1 120/40(3 on broadside), 6 rpm Russia: 5x1 102/60(3 on broadside), 12 rpm Italy: -Sella: 2x2 120/45(4 on broadside), 7 rpm(source) -Leone: 4x2 120/45(8 on broadside), 7 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: // Japan: // Russia: // Italy: -Sella: // -Leone: // Torpedo armament: US: 4x3 533 mm(6 on broadside), 40 s reload time Japan: 3x2 533 mm(6 on broadside), 42 s reload time Russia: 3x3 450 mm(9 on broadside), 33 s reload time Italy: -Sella: 2x2 or 2x3 533 mm(4 or 6 on broadside) -Leone: 2x3 450 mm or 2x2 533 mm(6 or 4 on broadside) Installed power: US: 27000 hp Japan: 27000 hp Russia: 32700 hp Italy: -Sella: 36000 hp -Leone: 42000 hp Speed: US: 35 knots Japan: 34 knots Russia: 35 knots Italy: -Sella: 35 knots -Leone: 34 knots Tier V US: Nicholas Japan: Minekaze Russia: Grevny Italy: Dardo, Navigatori Primary armament: US: 5x1 or 4x1 127/51(5 or 4 on broadside), 9.2 rpm; 4x1 127/38(4 on broadside), 15 rpm Japan: 4x1 120/45(4 on broadside), 5 rpm Russia: 4x1 130/50(4 on broadside), 12 rpm Italy: -Dardo: 2x2 120/50(4 on broadside), 6/7 rpm(source) -Navigatori: 3x2 120/50(6 on broadside), 6/7 rpm(source) Secondary armament: US: // Japan: // Russia: // Italy: -Dardo: // -Navigatori: // Torpedo armament: US: 4x3 533 mm(6 on broadside), 66 s reload time Japan: 3x2 533 mm(6 on broadside), 47 s reload time Russia: 2x3 533 mm(6 on broadside), 70 s reload time Italy: -Dardo: 1x3 or 2x3 533 mm(3 or 6 on broadside) -Navigatori: 1x3 or 2x3 533 mm(3 or 6 on broadside) Installed power: US: 55000 hp Japan: 38500 hp Russia: 48000 hp Italy: -Dardo: 44000 hp -Navigatori: 50000 hp Speed: US: 37 knots Japan: 39 knots Russia: 38 knots Italy: -Dardo: 38 knots -Navigatori: 38 knots
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    Fan made Italian tech tree

    PREMIUM SHIPS: BATTLESHIPS List of potential candidates Tier Ship II Regina Elena II Regina Margherita IV Dante Alighieri V Giulio Cesare(1943) V BC 1933 VI BC 1928 VII proto Littorio VIII Roma IV: Dante Alighieri Story The Dante Alighieri was the first dreadnought built by Italy. The peculiarity of her name is that she's the only battleship named after a poet(other poets got "only" destroyers from the Oriani-class). She followed the Italian philosophy of speed over protection and, as such, she was lightly protected compared to the Cuniberti's dreadnought. Compared to the older design however Dante Alighieri was much more armed: twelve 305 mm on a broadside compared to the eight of the Cuniberti's and those guns were the newer 305/46 which were overall better than the older 305/40. The secondary armament was a mix of 120 mm and 76 mm. She served during WWI, without seeing much action. She remained in service until being stricken in 1928. Technical data Standard displacement: 19552 tons Full load displacement: 21800 tons Length: 158.4 m(water line), 168.1 m(overall length) Beam: 26.6 m Draught: 8.8 m(normal), 9.75 m(max) Installed power: 32190 hp Maximum speed: 22.8 knots Protection: 250 - 76 mm(belt), 250 mm(main turrets), 100 mm(secondary turrets), 100 mm(battery), 280 mm(CT), 50 mm with 50 mm slopes(deck) Armament: 4x3 305/46, 4x2 120/50, 12x1 120/50, 13x1 76/40 Refits: -1915: -13x1 76/40; +16x1 76/50; +4x1 76/50 AA -1923: -8x1 76/50; +2x1 40/39
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    Fan made Italian tech tree

    PREMIUM SHIPS: CRUISERS List of potential candidates Tier Ship II Marco Polo II Piemonte II Libia II Brindisi IV Taranto IV Ancona IV Cadorna(1943) IV Da Giussano(AA) V Montecuccoli(1943) V Etna VI UP.90(CL) VII Bolzano? VIII Gorizia(1942) NOTE: I've added Bolzano to the list as well due to the fact I'm not 100% positive on using her as upgrade over Trento or as a premium. As such both options will be considered for the time being Tier II: Piemonte RN Piemonte was a protected cruiser built in the UK for Italy. What's unique about her is that she was the first ship ever to be equipped with QF guns: 6x152/40 plus 6x120/40. By the time of her construction, back in 1888, she was also the fastest: she was capable of reaching 22.3 knots by pushing her machinery with an output of 12,600 hp(normally the output is 7.040 hp with a speed of 20.4 knots). After joining the Italian Navy in 1890 she served overseas, mainly in East Africa and China. She fought in the Italo-Turkish war, during which she lead a small Italian formation(herself accompanied by the destroyers RN Artigliere and RN Garibaldino) against seven gunboats and an armed yacht at Kunfuda Bay on the 7/01/1912. The Turks were defeated with their ships either destroyed or beached(and destroyed the next day). After the Italo-Turkish she came home and, after WWI started, served with the Second Fleet. She was part of the naval blockade of the Adriatic and, due to this, she saw little activity during the war. She remained in service after WWI to be stricken from the Navy list in 1920. Technical data Standard displacement: 2443 tons Full load displacement: 2597 tons Lenght: 92,73 m(between perpendiculars), 97,83 m(overall lenght) Beam: 11,62 m Draught: 5,10 m(maximum) Installed power: 12,600(maximum) Maximum speed: 22,3 knots Protection: 76 mm(deck), 114 mm(gun shields), 76 mm(conning tower) Armament: 6x1 152/40, 6x1 120/40 Tier V: Etna Story The Etna-class was a pair of light cruisers originally designed for the Thai Navy(Taksin and Naresuan). The two were requisitioned in 1942 by the Regia Marina and totally redesigned to change them in light cruisers with a heavy focus in AAA. During the Armistice they were 60% completed, captured by Germans and scuttled. Technical data Standard displacement: 5900 tons Full load displacement: 6533 tons Length: 141 m(water line), 153.8 m(overall length) Beam: 14.5 m Draught: 5.95 Installed power: 40000 hp Maximum speed: 28 knots Protection: 60 mm(belt), 35 - 20 mm(deck), 20 mm(turrets), 60 mm(CT) Armament: 3x2 135/45, 10x1 65/64, 10x2 20/65 Tier V: Montecuccoli(see Condottieri-class section) TIER VI: MODIFIED UP.90 Story The UP.90 was originally a pocket battleship, modified to be a light cruiser(i may consider the original UP.90 eventually but with the German counterpart at tier IV of the BB line i prefer not, at least for now). She'll be placed at the same tier of Condottieri V/VI with some advantages(better secondary and AAA) and disadvantages(one less gun in a broadside, less powerful machinery and a lighter displacement which should translate in less HP). Sadly i don't have data on her protection, i'll update ASAP. Technical data Standard displacement: 8000 tons Full load displacement: 9200 tons Length: 176 m(overall length) Beam: 19 m Draught: 5.6 m Installed power: 60.000 hp Maximum speed: 30 knots Protection: //(to be updated) Armament: 3x3 152/55, 6x2 100/47, 8x37/54(most likely 4x2), 16x20/65(most likely 8x2), 2x3 533 mm TT
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    Fan made Italian tech tree

    PREMIUM SHIPS: DESTROYERS List of potential candidates Tier Ship II La Masa II Ardimentoso II Fasana II Audace III Premuda(V-116) III Aquila III Cesare Rossarol IV FR31 IV Turbine(1942) IV/V Sebenico V Folgore(1941) V Tarigo(1941) V FR23 V/VI Premuda(Dubrovnik) VI FR21 VIII Spalato Tier II: Audace Story Originally she was the Japanese destroyer Kawakaze, built in the UK. In 1916 the unit was transferred to Italy(originally renamed Intrepido and then Audace). The differences with the original design lies in the armament which used standard issue for the RM: the 102/35 as primary armament and the 450 mm torpedo tubes. This unit was quite active in WWI, supporting most of the MAS sorties against the Austro-Hungarian fleet. She was the first Italian ship to reach Trieste after the end of WWI and, with the highest authorities on board, she greeted the Austrian war prizes. Between the wars she was re-rated as torpedo boat and modified to radio control the target ship San Marco. When WWII started she was assigned at Pola used at first as training ship and then, after a refit, as AA escort. After the Armistice she was at Venezia and tried to sail southwards but, due problems in the engine, she had to sail back to be captured by the Germans. Renamed TA20 she was used by the Germans until being sunk by the British on 1/11/1944 Technical data Standard displacement: 922 tons Full load displacement: 1170 tons Length: 83.9 m(water line), 87.5 m(overall length) Beam: 8.3 m Draught: 2.5 m(normal load), 2.89 m(full load) Installed power: 22000 hp Maximum speed: 30 knots Armament: 7x1 102/35, 2x1 40/39, 2x1 6.5/80, 2x2 450 mm TT Tier III: Aquila Story Designed by Pattison, Naples, as a new destroyer class for Romania(Mărăşti-class) back in 1913. Due to WWII the four ships of the class were requisitioned by the RM and renamed(Aquila, Falco, Nibbio and Sparviero). The original primary armament was five 120/45 in two double and one single but it was changed in three 152/40 in three singles. Only three were completed before the end of WWI(Aquila, Nibbio and Sparviero) but they saw little action. After WWI they got the originally planned primary armament and then two of them(Nibbio and Sparviero) were finally given to Romania(renamed Mărăşti and Măraşeşti). Aquila and Falco were at the end given to Nationalist Spain and renamed Melilla and Ceuta respectively. Technical data Standard displacement: 1594 tons Full load displacement: 1760 tons Length: 94.3 m(water line), 94.7(overall length) Beam: 9.5 m Draught: 3.6 Installed power: 40000 hp Maximum speed: 34 knots Armament: 2x2 120/45, 1x1 120/45, 2x1 76/40, 2x1 6.5/80, 2x2 450 mm TT NOTE: I considered the original armament which was eventually refitted although the WWI armament can be taken into consideration as well Tier IV: Turbine(1942) Story Turbine was another step forward in the development of the previous designs(Sauro/Sella), although not as extensive as the step forward between Curtatone and Sauro/Sella. What makes Turbine better over the previous designs is improved engines and much better anti aircraft armament. With this class starts also the trade off: during WWII this class, as many others which followed, sacrificed one rack of torpedoes for more anti aircraft guns, usually two 37/54 in single mounts. Eight ships of this class were built: Turbine, Aquilone, Borea, Espero, Euro, Nembo, Ostro and Zefiro. All but two(Turbine and Euro) were lost in 1940: Aquilone was lost while sailing to Tripoli due to a mine on 17/9/1940, Borea was sunk by a bomb while in port at Bengasi that same day, Espero was sunk while escorting a convoy towards Libya on 28/6/1940, Zeffiro was during a British attack on Tobruk on 5/7/1940 Nembo and Ostro were sunk in a similar attack on 19/7/1940. The two surviving ships had different fates after the Armistice: Turbine got captured by the Germans(renamed TA 44) and sunk at Salamis on 15/9/1944 while Euro remained under Italian control and got sunk in the battle of Leros on 1/10/1943. Technical data Standard displacement: 1220 tons Full load displacement: 1670 Length: 91.3 m(water line), 93.2 m(overall length) Beam: 9.2 m Draught: 3 m Installed power: 40.000 hp Maximum speed: 36 knots Armament: 2x2 120/45, 2x1 37/54, 4x2 20/65, 1x2 13.2/76, 1x3 533 mm TT NOTE: I considered the 1942 configuration to make her different from Sella/Sauro. Premuda(ex Dubrovnik): to be updated VIII: Spalato(ex Split) Story This destroyer was originally the Yugoslavian Split, captured in 1941 and totally redesigned by Italy. The destroyer was launched in July 1943 but not completed(Split was finally completed only in 1959, 20 years after being laid down). I placed this ship here for two simple reasons: she is the remake of a foreign design and the redesign itself is complicated to place. Spalato is something in between the pre-WWII Soldati II as originally design and the war time design of Medaglie d'Oro, sort of blending the two together. She was fast as the pre-WWII designs, armed with only three torpedo tubes but with the same artillery armament as the final series of Medaglie d'Oro. Technical data Standard displacement: 2040 tons Full load displacement: 2500 tons Length: 114.8 m(water line), 121 m(overall length) Beam: 12 m Draught: 3.48 m(normal), 3.75 m(full load) Installed power: 55000 hp Maximum speed: 38 knots Armament: 5x1 135/45, 10x1 37/54, 4x2 20/65, 3x1 533 mm TT
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    Fan made Italian tech tree

    PLANES NOTE: my idea for the planes carried by the carriers is to have fighter bombers only as much as possible. There are a few reasons behind this choice: 1)Italy relied heavily on fighter bombers, strapping bomb on whatever plane available 2)The Italian carriers were supposed to provide first and foremost AA cover, they weren't intended to be heavy hitters on their own(hence why both Sparviero and Aquila were supposed to carry only Re.2001s) 3)It would be an unique flavor with the ability to use the planes available both as fighters or as dive bombers, depending on the situation. 4)The number of planes carried was quite limited and having planes able to fulfill multiple roles would somewhat solve this problem The only issue is that i don't know if the game will be allowed(technically). From a balance point of view having full fighters or full dive bombers shouldn't be that OP because you gain flexibility but you would be like a jack of all trade master of none(so specialized planes will be superior). Historical projects G.50 A/N A project which was developed for Svarviero and Aquila. Considering how the planes are currently placed finding a spot for this particular aircraft will be quite challenging, being too strong for the fighters carried by the tier VI CVs but too weak to compete against the ones carried by the tier VII(considering the upgraded ones). It would act as a fighter-bomber(something which in theory would give an unique flavor to the Italian CV line and would somewhat compensate for the lack of numbers), being able to carry out both the role of the fighter and of the dive bombers(with a 250 kg bomb as payload). Re.2001OR The plane which was picked for the Italian carriers. It would placed at tier VII(upgraded) and tier VIII(stock). Compared to the counterparts(F4F3 and A6M2) it would be weaker as a fighter(having a lighter armament) but it would compensate its inferiority as a fighter with the ability to carry a considerable payload. This plane was able to carry a standard 250 kg or a 640 kg AP bomb, derived from the 15" shells of the 381/50(the gun of the Littorio-class) or a 600 kg torpedo. Ideally it would be the only type of plane carried by the carriers(being able to fulfill all the roles) PLAUSIBLE PLANES After quite some time thinking how to distribute plans i came to a reasonable conclusion. At low tiers the fighter-bomber route is impossible to follow(the idea of strapping bombs on fighters wasn't there at the time) so i'll use the available bombers. To make things easy to read also the US and JP planes will be listed in parallel. I might put pros and cons between the planes eventually but it would take a lot of work. FIGHTERS III)CR.1 - TS-1 - 1MF IV)CR.20 - F6C -A2N V)CR.32 - F4B -A4N VI)CR.42 - F3F -A5M VII)Re.2001 - F4F3 - A6M VIII)Re.2005 - F4U - A7M(N1K5-A) IX)Re.2006 - F8F - J7W1(A8M) X)// - F2H - J8N1 TORPEDO BOMBERS III)BR - DT - 1MT IV)BR.1 - T3M - B1M V)BR.2 - T4M - B3N VI)// - TBD - B4Y VII)Re.2001 - TBY - B5N VIII)G.55S - TBF - B6N IX)// - AD1 - B7A X)// - AD2 - R2Y DIVE BOMBERS IV)// - BM.2 - D1A1 V)CR.32 - SBU - D1A2 VI)CR.42 - SBC - D3A1 VII)Re.2001 - SB2U - D3A2 VIII)Re.2005 - SBD2 - D4Y2 IX)Re.2006 - SB2C - D4Y3 X)// - XSB2D - J5N1 There are blank spots which would need to be filled eventually. NOTE: it has to be updated, it's not high up in the priority list though.
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    Fan made Italian tech tree

    CARRIERS NOTE: i will consider the ship themselves alone without considering the planes. I will make another topic on the planes themselves, guestimating which planes would be used for which ship. IV: emergency liner Roma conversion It was a project developed in 1936, during the Italo-Ethiopian war. It was designed to be a fast conversion of the liner Roma. Nothing came out of it but the design was then reused for the final conversion project of her sistership, liner Augustus(RN Sparviero). Here are all the pieces of info i have regarding the ship: Hangar dimensions: 145x27,4 m Flight deck dimensions: 195x27 m(reduced to 5 m over the bow to make room for the armament) Number of planes: around 30 Protection: // Armament: 4x1 heavy AA guns(the author assumed 100/47), unknown AA armament V: Sparviero Story For quite some time both Mussolini and Supermarina never considered the carriers as useful asset, considering the land bases sufficient. After the victories achieved by the British thanks to their carriers(Taranto and Matapan the two with the biggest impact) finally they decided to develop carriers to support the fleet. Since there wasn't time to build a carrier from scratch the engineers had to develop designs from existing hulls. Two liners were chosen to be converted: Roma and Augustus. Augustus, renamed Falco and then Sparviero, had a more conservative conversion in the end, based on the previous emergency conversion of Roma developed back in 1936: the propulsion system remained the same(based on four diesel engines generating 28.000 hp in total) while the superstructure was removed to make room for the flight deck. She had only one hangar and two elevators and no island was placed. The construction started in September 1942 and very little was done by the time of the Armistice. She was then captured by the Germans to be scuttled in 5/10/1944 in the port of Genoa. After WWII she was raised and scrapped. Technical data Standard displacement: 23000 tons Full load displacement: 28000 tons Length: 202.4(water line), 216,65 m(overall) Beam: 25 m(water line), 30 m max Draught: 9.2 m Installed power: 28000 hp Maximum speed: 18 knots Number of planes: 35 Protection: 60-80 mm(belt) Armament: -Original armament: 6x152/45, 4x1 102/45, some AA -Reworked armament: 8x1 135/45, 12x1 65/64, 4x6 20/65 VI: Project Gagnotto Technical data Full load displacement: 25630 tons Lenght: 235,4 m(overall lenght), 215,4 m(between perpendiculars) Beam: 29 m Draught: 7,5 m Installed power: 65000 hp Maximum speed: 26 knots Number of planes: 48 Protection: // Armament: 4x2 120/50, 4x2 100/47, unknown AA VII: Project Bonfiglietti (to be updated) Technical data Standard load displacement: 15240 tons Full load displacement: 17540 tons Lenght: 220 m(overall lenght), 210 m(between perpendiculars) Beam: 23 m Draught: 5,55 m Installed power: 70000 hp Maximum speed: 29 knots Number of planes: 47 Protection: 60 mm(citadel), 50 mm(fuel tanks), 20 mm(hangar belt), 35 mm(flight deck), 15 mm(splinter deck), 40 mm(hangar deck) Armament: 4x2 152/53 Mod 1926, 8x2 100/47, unknown AA VIII: Aquila (to be updated) Story The origin of Aquila is in common with the Sparviero. Originally Aquila was the liner Roma but the conversion was much more drastic compared to the sister ship. There were many changes structurally speaking to improve stability and protection(clipper bow, increased ship length, torpedo bulges filled with concrete, the bulkheads were rearranged). Another improvement over the half sister is on the machinery which was changed and replaced by the machinery of two Capitani Romani-class(Cornelio Silla and Paolo Emilio), although the combined output was toned down to 151000 hp. Other advantages Aquila had over Sparviero are the presence of the island, a higher amount of planes carried and a high number of AA guns. The conversion started in 1941 and by the time of the Armistice she was pretty much complete(the work on her was slowed down due to Allied air raids). Shew was captured by the Germans, damaged multiple times(by Allied bombers and Italian frogmen) and finally scuttled at the end of the war. She was raised in the late '40s and then sold for scrap. Technical data Standard displacement: 21230 tons Full load displacement: 28350 tons Length: 207.4 m(water line), 232.5 m(overall length) Beam: 29.4 m(water line), 30.1 m max Draught: 7.31 Installed power: 151000 hp Maximum speed: 30 knots Number of planes: 51(fixed wings), 66(folded wings) Protection: 60-80 mm(magazine and fuel tanks), 400-800 mm(torpedo bulges) Armament: 8x1 135/45, 12x1 65/64, 22x6 20/65 IX: Falco (to be updated) Basically she is an iteration of the previous RN Aquila but with improvements: 1)Larger hangar capable of holding some more planes 2)Larger torpedo bulges to improve stability 3)Machinery arranged on three shafts instead of four Other than these changes the rest should be the same of the sister ship X: Impero Source: https://stefsap.file...11/hpim0813.jpg (to be updated) Technical data Full load displacement: 45075 tons Lenght: 231 m(between perpendiculars), 238 m(overall lenght) Beam: 32 m(water line) Draught: 10.4 m Installed power: 130000 HP Number of planes: between 50 and 60 with fixed wings Maximum speed: 30 knots Protection: identical to Littorio(belt armor), unknown(deck armor) Armament: 4x3 152/55 Mod 1934, a number of 65/64(from the images is hard to count), unknown AA
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    Fan made Italian tech tree

    Here are the missing Ferrati's projects F, D and G with a plausible tier for them. Take note that the tier is based on the potential of the original projects with what-if elements involved(just like in case of Caracciolo). TIER VII: PROJECT F source: https://stefsap.word...esigns-f-and-f/ There are two iterations of the design(F and F') but they differ only in installed power. Technical data Displacement: 27300 tons(F), 31300 tons(F') Lenght: 200 m(F), 210 m(F') Beam: // Draught: // Installed power: 75000(F), 115000(F') Maximum speed: 27 knots(F), 31 knots(F') Armor: 270 mm(belt), unknown deck(possibly similar to Caracciolo) Armament: 2x4 381/40, 8x2 170/50, 24x1 102/50, unknown AA(most likely based on 40/39 like in Caracciolo) TIER VIII: PROJECT D Project D bis source: https://stefsap.word...-serie-designs/ There are multiple iterations(D, D bis, D', D'' and D''') but I chose just the D bis because of its more preferable armament layout(in my opinion at least). Technical data Displacement: 33200 tons Lenght: 210 m Beam: // Draught: // Installed power: 85000(most likely it can be improved just like in F') Maximum speed: 27 knots(see above) Armor: 270 mm(belt), unknown deck(possibly similar to Caracciolo) Armament: 3x4 381/40, 6x2 170/50, 20x1 102/50, unknown AA(most likely based on 40/39 like in Caracciolo) TIER IX: PROJECT G Project G' source: https://stefsap.word...s/regia-marina/ There are two iterations of the design(G and G') which have differences in primary armament layout and secondary armament. I chose G' because is overall better than G. Technical data Displacement: 37200 tons Lenght: 225 m Beam: // Draught: // Installed power: //(possibly similar to previous designs) Maximum speed: //(see above) Armor: 270 mm(belt), unknown deck(possibly similar to Caracciolo) Armament: 34x4 381/40, 8x2 170/50, 24x1 102/50, unknown AA(most likely based on 40/39 like in Caracciolo)
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    Fan made Italian tech tree

    Tier VI: Caracciolo Story The Caracciolo-class is one of the many designs made by Rear Admiral Ferrati before the start of WWI. Compared to the other designs, characterized by the main armament placed in quad mounts(with either two, three or four mounts each), this class is more conventional and similar to British super dreadnoughts such as the Queen Elisabeth. Compared to the other two pre-WWI designs, Conte di Cavour and Caio Duilio, she is a much more powerful ship. She was faster, better armed, better protected(with poor deck protection as most pre-Jutland designs) and with a good anti aircraft armament(for pre-WWI standards). Four ships of this class were planned: Caracciolo, Colombo, Colonna and Morosini. Of this four only the lead ship was launched but never completed. It was planned to convert Caracciolo to a carrier but that conversion never happened. She was then scrapped in 1921. Technical data Standard displacement: 31400 tons Full load displacement: 34000 tons Length: 201.6 m(water line), 212 m(overall length) Beam: 29.6 m Draught: 9.5 m Installed power: 105.000 hp Maximum speed: 28 knots Protection: 300 mm(belt), 50 mm(deck), 400 mm(turrets), 220 mm(battery), 400 mm(CT) Armament: 4x2 381/40, 12x1 152/50, 8x1 102/45, 12x1 40/39 Refits: Due to the lack of historical refits and modernization some "what-if" elements will be required. The biggest changes should be on deck armor, secondary armament(the primary is fine) and AAA, just like in Conte di Cavour and Caio Duilio with their modernization. I may think about plausible changes but it's not a priority. Tier VII: Proto-Littorio(to be updated) Tier VIII: Littorio Story The Littorio-class is the most powerful battleship ever built in Italy. Develop in the early '30s, around the same time of the reconstruction of Conte di Cavour and Giulio Cesare, as an answer to the Dunkerque-class battlecruisers made by the French. Compared to the contemporary reconstruction of the Conte di Cavour-class was whole new story: better armed, with the newest 381/50, better protected, faster and with a good anti aircraft armament(for an early '30s project). The trade off was the displacement: the actual standard displacement was over 40000 tons while the value on paper was 35000 tons(to stay within the Washington Treaty limitations). Four ships were planned, in two badges: Littorio, Vittorio Veneto, Roma and Impero. The differences between the two badges are relatively minimal and focused primarily on increasing sea worthiness. Littorio and Vittorio Veneto were built before WWII(they were in training when Italy declared war) and fought in most of the largest engagements with the British. Both were damaged multiple times but both survived and surrendered to the British after the Armistice. They were interned in Egypt and then scrapped after WWII. Roma was built in 1942 and saw little action during WWII. She is most known due to how she sank on 9/9/1943(due to two Fritz-X bombs). Impero was still incomplete during the Armistice. Captured by the Germans, bombed by the Allies and then scrapped after WWII. It was planned a carrier conversion for this ship although it was still in the planning phase. Technical data Standard displacement: 40724 tons(Littorio), 40992 tons(Roma) Full load displacement: 45256 t(Littorio), 45485 tons(Roma) Length: -Littorio: 224.1 m(water line), 237.8 m(overall length) -Roma: 224.1 m(water line), 240. 7(overall length) Beam: 32.8 m Draught: 9.6 m Installed power: 128.200 hp Maximum speed: 30 knots Protection: 280 mm + 70 mm(belt), (210 - 70) mm(bulkheads), (350 - 280) mm(turrets), (280 - 50) mm(secondary turrets), 260 mm(CT), (162 - 90) mm(main deck), 45 mm(upper deck) Armament: -Littorio: 3x3 381/50, 4x3 152/55, 12x1 90/50, 8x2 37/54, 4x1 37/54, 8x2 20/65 -Roma: 3x3 381/50, 4x3 152/55, 12x1 90/50, 8x2 37/54, 4x1 37/54, 14x2 20/65 Refits: -Spring 1942, Vittorio Veneto: +8x2 20/65-Spring 1942, Littorio: +6x2 20/65 -1943, all: +EC-3/ter radar Tier IX: UP.41 Story UP.41 was a project made by Ansaldo, originally for the Soviet Union(which eventually chose to go for Project 23 as their new battleship). This design had supporters also in Italy: one of them was Admiral Pini(which ordered the construction of a dry dock at Taranto specifically design to build and maintain this ship). She was short lived in Italy due to the firm opposition of Admiral Cavagnari(at that time the commander in chief of the Regia Marina) and the project was abandoned. I have the technical data of the Soviet variant so i'll post that one(quoting from the original topic). The Italian variant will of course have Italian armament: the 152/55 mm instead of the 180 mm, the 90/50 instead of the 100 mm the 37/54 mm instead of the 45 mm and the 20/65 instead of the 13.2 mm. Since it's a project which was discontinued it will require some what-if upgrades, just like in case of Caracciolo(although UP.41 doesn't require that much what-if compared to the older BB). Tier X: 4-16/16-40 Technical data Standard displacement: 61200 tons Full load displacement: 66336 tons Lenght: 256 m between perpendiculars Beam: 40 m Draught: //(currently missing the data) Installed power: 195000 hp Maximum speed: 29 knots Protection: 50+(406 - 203) mm(belt), currently missing the data on the rest Armament: 4x4 406/56, currently missing the data on the rest
  13. Deamon93IT

    Fan made Italian tech tree

    BATTLESHIPS Tier III: Cuniberti 17.000 t dreadnought Story On 1899 Italy issued the specifications for a new class of battleships, supposed to be fast and armed enough to fight against armored cruisers. Cuniberti issued a design which became the Regina Elena-class, a pre-dreadnought fast(over 22 knots as maximum speed 19.000 hp of installed power), with a relatively poor primary armament(only two 305 mm guns), a fairly strong secondary armament(6x2 203 mm guns) and reasonably protected(250 mm of maximum belt protection). Two ships of this class were originally planned: Regina Elena and Vittorio Emanuele. He then took the design and completely reworked it: the armament was changed from the two 305 mm and twelve 203 mm guns to twelve 305 mm guns, mounted in four singles and four twin turrets. The armor also increased from 250 mm to 305 mm as maximum thickness. Sadly i don't have any data regarding the installed power thought for this ship although it's safe to assume it's more than Regina Elena and that it was based on the new turbines instead of the old steam engines. This project was proposed to the Italian Navy for the 1902 program but it was rejected(the Navy chose to build two more Regina Elena-class, Roma and Napoli). The year after Cuniberti wrote an article on Jane's Fighting Ship about his latest design, becoming the first to theorize the all big gun battleships. Tier IV: Conte di Cavour(WWI) Story The Conte di Cavour-class is the second class of dreadnoughts built by Italy, after the Dante Alighieri. Compared to the original project of Cuniberti, developed years before, the Conte di Cavour follow the typical Italian philosophy: armament and speed over protection. Compared to the very first Italian dreadnought design there's a huge jump in firepower: from eight guns on a broadside to thirteen. Speed is also high, comparable to the old Regina Elena even though there difference in displacement is over 10000 tons. The downside is protection: belt armor dropped from 305 mm of the Cuniberti's Dreadnought to 250 mm, yet again comparable to the older Regina Elena. There were three ships of this class: Conte di Cavour, Giulio Cesare and Leonardo Da Vinci. The Da Vinci was lost during WWI due to an internal explosion on 2/8/1916 while at port at Taranto. She was recovered after WWI and scrapped. The other two remained in service and were rebuilt when the French built the Durkerque class(on 1933). Technical data Standard displacement: 22922 tons Full load displacement: 24250 tons Length: 168.9 m(water line), 176.1 m(full length) Beam: 28 m Draught: 8.7(standard load), 9.35(full load) Installed power: 31.000 hp Maximum speed: 21.5 knots Armor: 250 - 80 mm(belt), 220 mm(upper belt), 280 mm(turrets), 280 mm(barbettes), 130 mm(battery), 280 mm(CT), 24 mm with 40 mm slopes(main deck), 30 mm(middle deck), 30 mm(upper deck), 44 mm(forecastle deck) Armament: 3x3 305/46, 2x2 305/46, 18x1 120/50, 13x1 76/50 Refits: -1920, both survived: +6x1 76/40 -1925, both survived: +2x1 40/39 Tier V: Conte di Cavour(WWII) Story After the refit they changed drastically, becoming some sort of battle-cruiser. The whole ship was modernized: the central triple gun turret was removed, the guns were changed(in this case better say rebored) to the 320/44, the secondary armament was changed with the modernized 120/50 in turrets plus the 100/47 acting as tertiary armament. The anti aircraft armament was modernized with the newer 37/54 and the 13.2/76 replacing the old AAA based on WWI designs. Also the armor was modified although the changes were less drastic. Of the two surviving ship one was lost during WWII: Conte di Cavour. She was disabled on the Raid on Taranto by the British on 11/11/1940, repaired at Taranto and then sent to Trieste for a refit. On that refit she was supposed to mount better AAA: 6x2 135/45 on DP mounts, 12x1 65/64, 10x2 20/65 and 3x1 20/65. The ship was still at Trieste when on 8/9/1943 and scuttled by her crew two days later. She was raised by the Germans and then destroyed by an aerial bombardment on 15/2/1945. Giulio Cesare survived the whole war, after becoming famous for one of the longest shots in history(hit by HMS Warspite). She was at Pola during the Armistice and she was able to sail to Taranto safely even though the captain had to handle a munity, some German attacks along the way and the fuel which was barely enough to reach the port safely. After WWII she was given to the Soviet Union as war prize. Technical data Standard displacement: 26400 tons Full load displacement: 29032 tons Length: 168.6 m(water line), 186.4 m(overall length) Beam: 28.6 m Draught: 9.15(standard displacement), 10.4 m(full load displacement) Installed power: 75.000 hp(93.000 hp forced) Maximum speed: 27 knots( 28 knots forced) Armor: 250 - 220 mm(belt), 170 mm(upper belt), 280 mm(turrets), 280 + 50 mm(barbettes), 120 mm(secondary turrets), 130 mm(battery), 260 mm(CT), 100 - 80 mm(main deck), 44 mm(upper deck) Armament: 2x3 320/44, 2x2 320/44, 6x2 120/50, 4x2 100/47, 6x2 37/54, 6x2 13.2/76 Refits: -late 1940, both: -6x2 13.2/76; +6x2 20/65 -1941, Giulio Cesare: +2x2 37/54, +2x2 20/65 -1941, Conte di Cavour: -6x2 120/50, 4x2 100/47, 6x2 37/54; +6x2 135/45, 12x1 65/64, 4x2 20/65, 3x1 20/65 Tier IV: Caio Duilio(WWI) Story Also known as Andrea Doria-class by the name of the second ship this class is an iteration of Conte di Cavour with small improvements. The main difference was the secondary armament, based on 152 mm guns instead of 120 mm guns, and on the tertiary armament which increased in number(and acted as AA guns). Two ships were built: Caio Duilio and Andrea Doria. Both served during WWI, survived the war and remained in service until both went under reconstruction on 1937. Technical data Standard displacement: 22956 tons Full load displacement: 24729 tons Length: 168.9 m(water line), 176.1 m(overall length) Beam: 28 m Draught: 8.9(standard load), 9.5 m(full load) Installed power: 30.000 hp Maximum speed: 21 knots Armor: 250 - 80 mm(belt), 220 mm(upper belt), 280 mm(turrets), 280 mm(barbettes), 130 mm(battery), 280 mm(CT), 24 mm with 40 mm slopes(main deck), 30 mm(middle deck), 44 - 30 mm(upper deck), 44 mm(forecastle deck) Armament: 3x3 305/46, 2x2 305/46, 16x1 152/45, 13x1 76/50, 6x1 76/50 AA Refits: -1925, both: +6x1 76/40 Tier V: Caio Duilio(WWII) Story They had a similar reconstruction of Conte di Cavour with the difference in the secondary armament: the secondary was based on the newer 135/45 in three gun mounts while the tertiary was based on the newer 90/50 in single mounts. The anti aircraft armament was also considerably improved, making them more protected against enemy planes(that happened before the raid on Taranto). They survived WWII and served with the MMI until 1956 when both were stricken. Technical data Standard displacement: 23887 tons Full load displacement: 28882 tons Length: 168.9(water line), 186.9 overall length Beam: 28.6 m Draught: 9.1 m(standard load), 10.4 m(full load) Installed power: 75.000 hp(87.000 hp when forced) Maximum speed: 26 knots(28 when forced) Armor: 250 - 220 mm(belt), 170 mm(upper belt), 280 mm(turrets), 280 + 50 mm(barbettes), 120 mm(secondary turrets), 130 mm(battery), 260 mm(CT), 100 - 80 mm(main deck), 44 mm(upper deck) Armament: 2x3 320/44, 2x2 320/44, 4x3 135/45, 10x1 90/50, 6x2 37/54, 3x1 37/54, 8x2 20/65 Refits: -1942, both: +2x2 37/54 -1944: -3x1 37/54; +2x2 20/65
  14. Deamon93IT

    Fan made Italian tech tree

    Tier VII: Trento Story The Trento-class is the first heavy cruiser built under the Washington treaty. As most Italian ships of the '20s and early '30s the Trento-class was designed to be fast: if forced its machinery was able to make her sail at 36 knots. To achieve this result the machinery had to be powerful but, most importantly, heavy(over 2300 tons in weight), leaving the rest to armor and armament. The most sacrificed aspect was the armor since it wasn't able to protect the ship from 8" shells. Armament on the other hand on paper wasn't that sacrificed: eight 203/50 in four twin mounts as primary and sixteen 100/47 in twin mounts as secondary. The main issue was the fact that the primary armament mounts weren't that successful and spacing wasn't that great(as shown in the image above). Two ships of this class were built: Trento and Trieste. Both served with the fleet and took part on the major engagements between the Italian and British Navies. Both were lost during the war: Trento was damaged by torpedo bombers and then sunk by a submarine on 15/6/1942 while Trieste was lost during an aerial bombardment of the port of La Maddalena(a base in Sardinia) on 10/4/1943. Technical data Standard displacement: 10344 tons Full load displacement: 13344 tons Length: 190 m(water line), 197 m(overall length) Beam: 20.6 m Draught: 6.8 m Installed power: 120.000 hp(150.000 hp forced) Maximum speed: 34 knots(36 knots forced) Armor: 70 mm(belt), 60 - 40 mm(bulkheads), 50 - 20 mm(decks), 70 - 60 mm(barbettes), 80 mm(turrets), 100 - 40 mm(CT) Armament: 4x2 203/50, 8x2 100/47, 4x1 40/39, 4x1 12.7/62, 4x2 533 mm TT Refits: -1937/1938, both: -2x2 100/47, 4x1 40/39, 4x1 12.7/62; +4x2 37/54, 4x2 13.2/76 -1942, Trento: -4x2 13.2/76; +4x1 20/65 -1943, Trieste: -4x2 13.76; +8x1 20/65 Bolzano Story Considered as a "magnificently executed mistake" the Bolzano is an iteration of Trento done some years after, while the Zara-class was already in construction. Due to the similarity to the older half-sisters is sometime considered as part of the Trento-class although there are some differences between the two. The main ones are the following: the primary armament was changed, replacing the older turrets mounted on Trento with the newer ones mounted on Zara(with the newer 203/53) and then a reworked machinery and then the anti aircraft armament was changed a bit(the older 12.7/62 were replaced from construction by the 13.2/76 in twin mounts). Bolzano primarily served with the fleet and was damaged by a submarine on 13/8/1942. She was towed to La Spezia where repairs were started. It was thought a conversion to a "semi-carrier"(12 planes with 12x90/50 and 20x20/65 as AAA), conversion which didn't happen due to the Armistice. She was still under repair when the Armistice became active and the Germans took control over her. She was then sunk on 22/6/1944 by Italian frogmen on chariots. Technical data Standard displacement: 10890 tons Full load displacement: 13665 tons Length: 187.6 m(water line), 196.9 m(overall length) Beam: 20.6 m Draught: 6.8 m Installed power: 150.000 hp Maximum speed: 36 knots Armor: 70 mm(belt), 60 - 40 mm(bulkheads), 50 - 20 mm(decks), 70 - 60 mm(barbettes), 80 mm(turrets), 100 - 40 mm(CT) Armament: 4x2 203/53, 8x2 100/47, 4x1 40/39, 4x2 13.2/76, 4x2 533 mm TT Refits: -1934: -2x1 40/39, -1937: -2x2 100/47, -2x1 40/39; +4x2 37/54 -1942: -4x2 13.2/76; +4x1 20/65 Due to the similarities with the Trento and considering how i treated the Condottieri-classes i think it's wiser to place Bolzano with her half sisters as preset. Regarding her conversion since the planes weren't supposed to be recovered i don't think she can be considered in that configuration. In both cases things may change. Tier VIII: Zara Story The Zara class is the best cruiser available in the Italian Fleet. The original design was supposed to have a 200 mm thick belt with a speed reduced to "only" 32 knots. There was just a problem: the displacement exceeded the Washington limitation by almost 4000 tons. To make the project fit the designers started to reduce weight as much as possible: the belt thickness was reduced to 150 mm, the torpedo tubes were eliminated and the hull was reshaped(degrading sea worthiness in the process). The weight was decreased but there were still over 1500 tons in excess. Instead of cutting down that excess Italy decided to forget about it and say the displacement was 10000 tons. Four ships of this class were built: Zara, Fiume, Pola and Gorizia. Three of them were lost at Cape Matapan. Gorizia survived because she wasn't part of the same division of her three sisters and thus not sent to retrieve the disabled Pola. She was then damaged at La Maddalena when the Trieste was lost, towed to La Spezia and captured by the Germans. She was scuttled by the crew during the Armistice, salvaged by the Germans and then sunk again by Italian frogmen on 26/6/1944. Technical data Standard displacement: 11712 tons Full load displacement: 14330 tons Length: 179.6 m(water line), 182.9 m(overall length) Beam: 20.6 m Draught: 7.2 m Installed power: 95.000 hp Maximum speed: 32 knots Armor: (150 - 100) + 30 mm(belt), 120 - 90 mm(bulkheads), 70 mm(main deck) 20 mm(upper deck), 150 - 120 mm(barbettes), 150 - 120 mm(turrets), 150 - 70 mm(CT) Armament: 4x2 203/53, 8x2 100/47, 4x1 40/39, 4x1 12.7/62, Refits: -1937, all: -2x2 100/47, 4x1 40/39, 4x1 12.7/62; +4x2 37/54, 4x2 13.2/76 -1940, all: +2x1 120/15 -1942, Gorizia: -2x1 120/15; +2x2 37/54 Tier IX: Ansaldo cruiser for Spain CL variant CA variant(with the 3x3 configuration) I don't have that much info on this project other than the technical data. Displacement: 16.000 tons Lenght: 213.9 m(water line) Beam: 22 m Draught: 6.65 m Installed power: 200.000 hp Maximum speed: 37 knots Armor: (150 - 50) mm(belt), 120 mm(bulkheads), 70 mm(main deck), 25 mm(upper deck), 150 mm(barbettes), 150 mm(CT) Armament: 4x2 203/53 or 3x3 203 mm or 4x3 152/55, 12x1 90/50 or 6x2 90/50, 8x2 37/54, 4x2 20/65, 2x1 20/65, 2x4 533 mm TT I will update when i have more information on this project NOTE: I found a good picture of the CL variant of the ship, hopefully i'll be able to find also pictures of the CA counterpart ->done Tier X: Ansaldo project for Russia I found the technical info for this cruiser, i'll try to find more info on the story behind her plus a photo(although it will be problematic). Technical data Standard displacement: 22.000 tons Full load displacement: 26.700 tons Length: 241.5 m Beam: 28 m Draught: 7.45 m Installed power: 240000 hp Maximum speed: 37 knots Protection: //(i still have to find details on that) Armament: 3x3 250 mm, 6x2 130 mm, 6x2 100 mm, 32x45 mm, 2x3 533 mm torpedo tubes(all the guns are Russian but the ship should get the Italian counterparts). As for the project for Spain i will update when i have more info.
  15. Deamon93IT

    Fan made Italian tech tree

    Tier V: Condottieri I - da Giussano Story The da Giussano-class is the first badge of the most numerous class of cruisers built by Italy. The project started as an answer to the new French destroyer developed in the mid '20s. This class was designed to be fast: their machinery was the most powerful in the whole Italian fleet at that time and their length to beam ratio was above 10(like in case of the destroyers). Armament was adequate, based on eight 152 mm guns in four twin turrets(although the spacing between guns was absent). The main weakness of this class was the armor, or the lack of it. Four ships of this class were built: da Giussano, da Barbiano, Bande Nere and Colleoni. All four were lost during WWII: Colleoni on 19/7/1940 during the battle of Capo Spada, da Giussano and da Barbiano on 13/12/1941 during the battle of Capo Bon and Bande Nere on 1/4/1942 by a British submarine. Before WWII however there were plans to convert this class to AA cruisers, with two different designs proposed. The main difference between these two project is in the armament: -16x1 90/50, 10x2 20/65 -2x2 135/45, 12x1 90/50, 4x2 37/54, 8x2 20/65 Technical data Standard displacement: 5170 tons Full load displacement: 6844 tons Length: 160 m(water line), 169.3 m(overall length) Beam: 15.5 m Draught: 5.3 m Installed power: 95.000 hp Maximum speed: 36.5 knots Armor: 24+18(belt), 20 mm(bulkheads), 20 mm(decks) 23 mm(turrets), 40 - 25 mm(CT) Armament: 4x2 152/53, 3x2 100/47, 2x1 40/39, 2x2 533 mm TT Refits: -early 1930, all: -2x1 40/39; +4x2 13.2/76 -1938/1939, all: +4x2 20/65 Condottieri II - Cadorna Story The Cadorna-class is a modified da Giussano, built for better seaworthiness. There were also other changes like a newer main artillery mount(the turrets were more spacious while the guns remained the same), new positioning of the catapult(between the second funnel and turret number 3), better starting AA and better protected conning tower. These changes made the Cadorna-class a bit more successful than the previous one although it was the last of the kind totally devoted to speed as main protection. Two ships of this class were built: Cadorna and Diaz. Diaz was sunk on 25/2/1941 by a british submarine while on an escort mission. Cadorna was at Taranto on 8/9/1943 and sailed to Malta with the fleet. She remained under Italian control even after WWII and served as training ship until 1951. Technical data Standard displacement: 5232 tons Full load displacement: 7080 tons Length: 160 m(water line), 169.3 m(overall length) Beam: 15.5 m Draught: 5.5 m Installed power: 95000 hp Maximum speed: 36.5 knots Armor: 24+18(belt), 20 mm(bulkheads), 20 mm(decks) 40 mm(turrets), 70 - 25 mm(CT) Armament: 4x2 152/53, 3x2 100/47, 2x1 40/39, 4x2 13.2/76 2x2 533 mm TT Refits: -1938, both: -2x1 40/39, 4x2 20/65 -late 1943, Cadorna: -4x2 13.2/76; +4x1 20/70 Oerlikon -1944, Cadorna: -2x2 533 mm TT Tier VI: Condottieri III - Montecuccoli Story The Montecuccoli-class is the first Italian light cruiser with a balanced approach in mind. Sea whorthiness and protection were improved at the expense of increased displacement. To maintain a high maximum speed a more powerful machinery was installed making this class even marginally faster compared to the older designs. Other important difference is in the anti aircraft armament: instead of the couple of 40/39 eigh 37/54 were installed(in four twin mounts) and the catapult was moved amidship between the funnels. Two ships of this class were buit: Montecuccoli and Attendolo. Attendolo was sunk during an aerial bombardment of the port of Naples on 4/12/1942 while Montecuccoli was still in service during the Armistice and remained under Italian control(she was with the main group of the fleet at La Spezia). She served under the MMI as training ship until 1964. Technical data Standard displacement: 7405 tons Full load displacement: 8853 tons Length: 166.7 m(water line), 182.2 m(overall length) Beam: 16.6 m Draught: 6 m Installed power: 106.000 hp Maximum speed: 37 knots Armor: 60+25 mm(belt), 40 - 20 mm(bulkheads), 30 - 20 mm(decks), 50 - 30 mm(barbettes), 70 mm(turrets), 100 - 40 mm(CT) Armament: 4x2 152/53, 3x2 100/47, 4x2 37/54, 4x2 13.2/76, 2x2 533 mm TT Refits: -1943, Montecuccoli: -4x2 13.2/76; +10x1 20/70 Oerlikon -1944: -2x2 533 mm TT; +2x1 20/70 Oerlikon Condottieri IV - Duca d'Aosta Story The Duca d'Aosta-class is basically an enlarged Montecuccoli-class with small improvements. The improvements where primarily done to fix weaknesses of the previous class: the armor was improved(although marginally), the amount of anti aircraft guns was increased and the twin torpedo tubes were replaced by triple ones. Two ships of this class were built: Duca d'Aosta and Principe Eugenio(the samesake is the same of Austro-Hungarian battleship and the German cruiser Prinz Eugen). Both took part in numerous engagements with the British and stayed with the fleet the whole time. During the armistice they were at La Spezia and sailed to Malta with the fleet. After WWII Duca d'Aosta was given to the Soviet Union(as Kerch) while Principe Eugenio was given to Greece(as Elli). Technical data Standard displacement: 8610 tons Full load displacement: 10672 tons Length: 171.8 m(water line), 186.9 m(overall length) Beam: 17.5 m Draught: 6.5 m Installed power: 110.000 hp Maximum speed: 36.5 knots Armor: 70 + 35 mm(belt), 50-30 mm(bulkheads), 35 - 30 mm(decks), 70 - 50 mm(barbettes), 90 mm(turrets), 100 - 25 mm(CT) Armament: 4x2 152/53, 3x2 100/47, 4x2 37/54, 6x2 13.2/76, 2x3 533 mm TT Refits: -1943, both: -6x2 13.2/76; +10x1 20/70 Oerlikon -1944, both: -2x3 533 mm TT; +2x1 20/70 Oerlikon Tier VII: Condottieri V Duca degli Abruzzi Story The Duca degli Abruzzi is the final class actually built of this long line. Compared to da Giussano it's a whole new beast: armor was increased even further, the main armament was modified totally with new gun and new turrets(granting better spacing between barrels) and the heavy anti aircraft armament was changed(with two twin turrets mounting 100/47 per side). The biggest change is, as it happened(too late) with the destroyers, the loss of importance of speed: Duce degli Abruzzi had a maximum speed of "only" 34 knots compared to the 36.5/37 knots of all previous classes. This drop is mainly due to the fact the displacement grew while the installed power dropped slightly. Two ships of this class were built: Duca degli Abruzzi and Garibaldi. Both served with the fleet for the whole war. After the Armistice they remained under Italian controlled and patrolled the Atlantic with the Allies. After WWII they served with the MMI. Duca degli Abruzzi was stricken on 1961 after being the flagship since 1956 while Garibaldi remained in service until 1971 after being refitted as missile cruiser(the first of its kind in a European fleet). Technical data Standard displacement: 9440 tons Full load displacement: 11575 tons Length: 171.8 m(water line), 187 m(overall length) Beam: 18.9 m Draught: 6.8 m Installed power: 100.000 hp Maximum speed: 34 knots Armor: 100+30 mm(belt), 100+30 mm(bulkheads), 40+(15 - 10) mm(deck), 100 - 30(barbettes), 135 mm(turrets), 140 - 30 mm(CT) Armament: 2x3 152/55, 2x2 152/55, 4x2 100/47, 4x2 37/54, 4x2 13.2/76, 2x3 533 mm TT Refits: -1943, both: -4x2 13.2/76; +4x2 20/65, 2x1 20/65 -1944, both: -2x3 533 mm TT; +2x1 100/47 Condottieri VI - Ciano Ciano is basically an iteration of Duca degli Abruzzi with few improvements. The armor thickness was increased but marginally: 5 mm more on the deck and turrets. The main changes were on the anti aircraft armament: the old 100/47 were replaced by eight 90/50 in single mounts and the original eight 13.2/76 were replaced by twelve 20/65. The engine power was also increased from 100.000 to 115.000 hp to maintain the speed stable(the projected full load displacement was 12.000 tons). Two ships of this class were planned: Ciano and Rizzo(later on renamed Venezia). Since the differences are very marginal and all listed here i won't write the technical data on this particular ship.
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